Transcript [00:11] I warmly welcome you here from [00:13] Jerusalem. [00:15] Today I am meeting a very well-known [00:17] influencer. [00:19] For those who don't know what an [00:21] influencer is. It has nothing to do with [00:24] the flu or influenza. [00:26] It is someone who has a major influence [00:29] especially on young people. [00:32] >> Welcome to another episode of [00:34] Fascination Israel. [00:53] Heat. [01:06] Heat. [01:14] Heat. Heat. [01:35] Heat. [01:49] Heat. [02:18] He is one of the most well-known social [02:20] media influencers in Israel. Kananya [02:24] Naftali. [02:27] For years, he has worked as a social [02:30] media adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin [02:32] Netanyahu. [02:36] With hundreds of thousands of followers, [02:39] he is a prominent pro-Israel [02:41] spokesperson fighting against [02:42] anti-semitism and disinformation. [03:06] So Hana, we are here in Jerusalem in [03:10] front of this wonderful and famous [03:12] Damascus Gate. [03:14] And um the international community calls [03:18] this place where we are at the moment [03:20] East Jerusalem. [03:22] The Bible is the book which made [03:24] Jerusalem famous and Jerusalem is [03:28] mentioned more than 1,000 times in the [03:31] Bible. East Jerusalem is not mentioned [03:34] at all. Do you know how did the term [03:36] come about? Well, after Israel declared [03:40] independence in 1948, there was a war. [03:43] Uh nations, Arab nations declared war on [03:45] us and they ended up taking uh uh what [03:48] is now called East Jerusalem. And uh [03:52] when we liberated this in uh 1967, so uh [03:55] we basically reunited uh east and west, [03:58] >> the famous six day war. Right. [04:00] >> Exactly. The famous six day war. And by [04:03] the way, you know, today you see that [04:05] there is a big argument about East [04:07] Jerusalem being the capital of a future [04:10] uh Palestine. Uh and I have to say at [04:12] the end of the day, Jerusalem is one and [04:15] we have to keep it undivided capital of [04:18] uh Israel and actually Israel is also [04:21] working within the frames of [04:22] international law. Um I have to say [04:25] wherever you dig in this city you can [04:27] find Jewish history, Roman history, uh [04:31] Greek history but you will not find [04:32] Palestinian history. Uh because the term [04:34] Palestine was uh invented uh after the [04:38] this uh nationality all of the sudden uh [04:40] came to life after the six day war. All [04:43] of the sudden when we reunited this city [04:47] they wanted uh and to claim this as [04:49] their own. Uh but this is not how things [04:51] work. You mentioned international law [04:55] but this is actually the excuse uh which [04:58] the United Nations and the world [05:00] community always are using according to [05:04] international law. So who is right? [05:07] First of all a lot of the uh you know [05:10] the United Nations the uh international [05:12] court of justice the ICC they forget one [05:15] thing justice the the values of justice [05:18] are actually coming from the Bible. the [05:20] values of making uh distinguish between [05:23] good and evil. It's coming from uh the [05:25] book of the Jewish people. So uh we are [05:28] upholding the highest standards of [05:29] international law. And I actually [05:31] whenever I speak with uh Arabs here in [05:34] East Jerusalem, I have Arab friends here [05:36] in East Jerusalem. They tell me we are [05:38] so happy to be under the rule of the [05:41] Israelis. And actually there was a poll [05:44] that asked Arabs living in East [05:46] Jerusalem, would you rather live under [05:50] uh Palestinian control or Israeli [05:52] control? And I think that the number [05:54] stood at a high percentage um definitely [05:56] over 80 that said we prefer [06:00] control be why because we treat them uh [06:04] equally. [06:09] Heat. [06:26] Heat. [06:43] So, Hania, in September 25 this year, an [06:48] independent commission of the United [06:51] Nations Human Rights Council accused [06:54] Israel of committing genocide against [06:58] Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. The [07:01] commission based it on the genocide [07:03] convention which was adopted in 1948, [07:08] right? And this was a response to the [07:10] atrocities actually of the committed [07:12] genocide by the Nazis in the Third [07:15] Reich. How do you see that? Is Israel [07:18] committing a genocide in the Gaza Strip? [07:22] >> Look, you need to go back to the [07:25] definition of what does a genocide mean? [07:28] And a genocide actually means that you [07:31] want to eliminate a group of people. Uh [07:35] we are in this uh war that just ended [07:37] for two years, right? [07:39] >> And we can all agree that Israel has the [07:41] capability to destroy all of Gaza in 2 [07:44] days and yet here we are 2 years after [07:47] and you still see that we are uh in this [07:50] in this conflict. And it really shows [07:52] you that Israel has no interest to [07:54] eliminate whatsoever the Palestinian [07:56] people. We do not have a problem with [07:58] Palestinian people. And I say this as an [08:00] Israeli. Uh we have a problem with those [08:02] that want to annihilate us. [08:04] >> But the big problem is that the [08:07] respectable United Nations brought out [08:11] this term that Israel is committing [08:13] genocide. I mean we h we have to believe [08:16] the United Nations. So what can we do? [08:19] >> Well, it's it's the same United Nations [08:20] that also u cast the doubts about uh the [08:23] Jewish historical connection to [08:25] Jerusalem. We have to remember that the [08:27] United Nations was actually uh [08:28] established with pure intent to prevent [08:32] another uh genocide from uh from [08:34] happening and to make sure that there is [08:35] no another uh world war. But [08:38] unfortunately it lost its uh moral [08:41] compass. Now the United Nations they [08:43] have a clear political agenda that they [08:46] serve. If uh and you see this, they [08:49] passed resolution after resolution [08:51] against Israel while turning a blind eye [08:54] to suffering of Iranian people uh [08:56] Syrian, North Korea, China, Russia to [08:58] the United Nations. When there are no [09:01] Jews involved, there are no news. When [09:04] they cannot blame the Jewish people for [09:06] perpetrating anything, then to them this [09:09] is not news and they don't focus on [09:10] that. We are just now seeing how [09:12] Christians are being targeted in Sudan, [09:14] in Nigeria, across African countries. [09:17] And you see not a single tweet, not a [09:20] single word, not a single resolution. [09:23] This is double standards. And this is [09:24] pure hypocrisy. You know, because we a [09:27] nation that uh extends its hand for [09:30] peace several times are accused of [09:32] genocide, but then you see uh the the [09:34] other side that says we want to destroy [09:37] you and we could do it. We would do it [09:39] again and again and again if we could. [09:41] Um so what do you expect Israel to do? [09:44] The same thing that every sane nation [09:46] would do. Uh protect their people. [09:55] the so-called two-state solution, that [09:59] would mean we couldn't stand here, [10:01] right? Because it would be Palestine. [10:04] And as far as I understand, if the [10:06] two-state solution will come, every Jew [10:10] would have to leave the so-called West [10:12] Bank. Is that correct? [10:14] >> That's correct. I I strongly oppose the [10:17] two-state solution. I think that this [10:18] was never about states. It was never [10:21] about land. It was about one thing, Jews [10:23] living in their land. Because if it was [10:26] about uh establishing Palestine, why [10:28] didn't they do it when the Jordan the [10:30] Jordanians controlled this part of uh [10:33] this part of the country uh East [10:34] Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria? Why [10:37] didn't they do it back then? Uh when the [10:39] Egyptians controlled the Gaza Strip, why [10:41] didn't they uh give them uh Palestine? [10:44] Look, it's just uh all one excuse. The [10:47] same old anti-semitism is just now [10:49] appearing in the disguise of hey uh it's [10:52] just Israel that's been the problem with [10:54] before Israel we had wonderful [10:57] relationship. This is one big lie. I [10:59] asked a friend of mine that uh came from [11:02] Gaza to Israel and he converted to [11:04] Judaism and I asked him what is uh your [11:07] people's problem with us? Um and he told [11:09] me it's not about land. They're not [11:11] interested in land. If he me in his [11:14] words an Arab Palestinian from Gaza, he [11:17] told me even if you take your bag and [11:19] leave this country, they will go after [11:21] you and kill you there because they have [11:23] a problem with Jews. It's same [11:26] anti-semitism. And the two-state [11:28] solution, it's it will never solve [11:30] anything. And if if you look at the [11:32] facts, actually most uh most uh of [11:35] Jordan, it is uh they identify as [11:38] Palestinian. Their flag is almost the [11:40] same. So uh if you ask me Jordan is [11:43] Palestine and actually also in [11:45] accordance with the uh with uh with [11:47] history when it was trans trans Jordan [11:50] that was uh divided by the British. If [11:52] uh we go back to the UN partition plan [11:55] that said uh one one state for the [11:58] Jewish people, one state for the Arab [11:59] people. [12:00] >> We're talking about 29th of November [12:03] 1947. [12:04] >> Exactly. And they uh we agreed. Of [12:08] course, it was not ideal for us, but we [12:10] really wanted to establish ourselves in [12:12] our ancestral homeland. So, we said yes. [12:15] And I have a question. Do you know any [12:16] ethnic group or national group that [12:19] aspires to have their own state? And [12:21] yet, they say no to every offer that uh [12:23] is proposed to them. So, it's clearly [12:25] they are not interested in a state. They [12:28] don't want a state next to Israel. They [12:30] want a state instead of Israel. Uh and [12:32] they uh quite frankly, they're not [12:34] ashamed in saying it very clearly. Kamas [12:37] is saying they want to destroy all of [12:38] Israel, all the Jews. Uh and you cannot [12:40] make peace with radicalism. You cannot [12:42] coexist with radicalism. But we have to [12:45] make a difference between people that [12:47] want to live uh in peace and uh those [12:50] who want to destroy us. And actually [12:52] they are also the enemy of the [12:53] Palestinian people. [12:57] >> How can Christians support Israel, [13:01] support a country who is killing [13:03] children? This is what we hear in the [13:05] media. [13:06] Yeah, this this is a ridiculous [13:08] accusation against Israel. I think that [13:10] Christians should actually ask [13:12] themselves how can not just a Christian, [13:14] how can a human being support a [13:16] terrorist organization like Hamas, but [13:19] as an Israeli, I don't feel hate in my [13:21] heart for Palestinians. I I believe in [13:23] love. I believe in peace. But we also [13:26] cannot be delusional. You cannot make [13:28] peace with Hamas. You cannot make peace [13:31] with those who don't agree with your [13:33] right to exist. And it's actually not [13:36] biblical. We need to remember God is a [13:38] God of love. He's a God of mercy. But [13:41] he's also a God of justice. And he's a [13:43] God of war. He doesn't ask us to make [13:45] peace with evil. He asks us to approve [13:48] evil like he asked the Israelites to [13:50] approve the Amalcch. Let us talk um [13:53] about the last 17 or 18 years where um [13:58] amazing financial support came um at [14:03] first from the United States and [14:05] Germany. German's financial support for [14:08] the UNRA it was more than I have here [14:12] the numbers more than 913 [14:15] millions in the last 2 years. What do [14:19] you say about that? I'm sorry to say [14:22] that this money that German taxpayers [14:25] paid uh is very likely to have ended up [14:28] in the hands of kamas. You know, the [14:30] cost of uh one kamas tunnel is roughly [14:34] $3 million. And uh with all the money [14:38] that they received along the years, um [14:41] they could have made Gaza look like [14:44] Dubai. But the reason that Gaza does not [14:47] look like Dubai is because they used the [14:50] money uh for terror. They used it to [14:53] build an underground uh city. They did [14:55] not use it to improve the lives of [14:56] Palestinians. [14:57] >> They said that UNRA is [15:01] infiltrated with Hamas. Is that true? [15:05] >> It is true. And we we we saw that uh [15:09] there is clear evidence that uh I mean [15:12] they also filmed themselves uh UNRA [15:15] teachers participated in this massacre. [15:17] People that are supposed to teach young [15:19] children [15:21] they they participated in this massacre. [15:23] So how can we trust an international [15:26] organization uh that its employees uh [15:31] participated in a massacre against us? [15:33] October 7 was the uh deadliest day for [15:37] the Jewish people since the Holocaust. [15:39] More Jews died in a single day uh since [15:42] the Holocaust. So if that were to happen [15:46] to any nation, you would hope that they [15:48] would take action. But I also have to [15:49] say the German people, they need to know [15:52] that they have a responsibility to say [15:55] we don't agree uh to this blind hate. [15:58] Never again means today. It means now. [16:00] If we stay silent today, uh history will [16:03] not forget those that sided uh with [16:06] Hamas with those that want Israel [16:08] destroyed. [16:16] >> What does the term mean which you hear [16:19] in Germany, in Switzerland, in Austria, [16:21] in all European countries? Free, free [16:24] Palestine. We hear it actually since [16:26] October 7th, 23 on a weekly basis. [16:30] >> You know, Palestine has already been [16:31] freed and its original name is restored [16:34] to Israel. Uh the the name Jew, the term [16:38] Jew stems from Judea, from this land. [16:41] So, first of all, if if uh they want to [16:43] free anything, it's actually uh Jewish [16:46] uh land that is being occupied right now [16:48] by Palestinians. You know, Hebron used [16:50] to be a a Jewish city. uh now it's [16:52] predominantly Arab nabis you look at uh [16:55] you look at other cities in Judea and [16:57] Samaria that used to be predominantly [16:59] inhabited by Jews so if you if anyone [17:03] speaks of occupation uh let's speak [17:05] about uh the Arab occupation of uh uh [17:08] Jewish lands uh but we at the end of the [17:11] day those people that chant free [17:13] Palestine from the river to the sea ask [17:15] yourself what do they want to free [17:17] Palestine from from Jews that's their [17:21] their one and only goal. And for me, [17:23] it's just uh sad to see that there are [17:25] so many people that are going after that [17:28] uh without really understanding what [17:30] they're chanting uh what they're [17:32] chanting about. Actually, this is an [17:33] anti-semitic chant because uh if you ask [17:37] them, what do you want to free uh [17:38] Palestine from? From the river to the [17:40] sea. We we are right now standing [17:42] between the river and the sea. [17:44] >> This is from the Jordan River to the [17:46] Mediterranean Sea. It's all of Israel. [17:48] Just like I said, they say themselves. [17:50] They want to free uh Palestine from uh [17:53] they they they want all of the country. [17:55] They don't want a part of it. [17:57] >> Jerusalem was reunited in 1967. [18:01] So everyone could come to this place. It [18:04] was not possible before ' 67. Now we are [18:07] standing here and in the in the [18:08] background we see this wonderful Arab [18:10] people going to the old city. We see [18:13] Christians here coming to the old city. [18:15] So Israel made it actually possible that [18:18] everyone can visit Israel. [18:20] >> Exactly. It is thanks to Israel that [18:23] created this uh umbrella of security and [18:26] safety for Jews, Christians and Muslims. [18:29] If you come here during the Ramadan, you [18:31] see uh tens of thousands that go and [18:34] pray uh at the Alaka mosque, the third [18:36] holiest site uh for the Muslims and you [18:39] see Christians that come here, the holy [18:41] fire ceremony. Uh you can see Christians [18:43] that walk freely. when this was not [18:46] under Israeli uh sovereignty, you did [18:48] not uh really see that actually when uh [18:51] when the Jordanians took took over uh [18:53] this this part of town uh this this part [18:56] of our capital and when we had this war. [18:58] So they actually also set uh set on fire [19:00] and destroyed synagogues. Uh you don't [19:02] see Israel doing that. But the problem [19:04] that uh now the international community [19:06] and maybe young people in Germany have [19:08] with Israel is because they see Israel [19:10] as a strong country and uh the [19:13] Palestinians as weak people. But I have [19:15] to remind everybody that just because [19:17] Israel is strong does not make us the [19:19] aggressor and just because uh Hamas is [19:22] uh is losing does not make them the [19:25] victim. And we have to remember that. [19:47] Heat. Heat. [20:06] So in the Holy Land there were Jewish [20:08] Palestinians, there were Christian [20:09] Palestinians and Arab Palestinians. Why [20:13] is this term now only used for Arab [20:17] Palestinians? [20:18] That's that's a good question because [20:20] most people don't know this that like [20:23] you said they were Jewish Palestinian. [20:24] Uh they they were Arab, they were [20:26] Christian, Muslim. Uh the PLO, the [20:29] Palestinian Liberation Organization [20:31] redefined this name in 1964 [20:35] and they kind of stole this term to [20:39] basically refer to only their uh group [20:42] of people. Um but you need to look at [20:44] the origin of the name Palestine. It [20:47] actually comes from the uh root word in [20:49] Hebrew uh palash to invade. So actually [20:53] this is not a good a a a good uh name [20:56] that you uh want to claim if you wish to [20:59] say that you are indigenous to this [21:01] land. Um but today we see that the we [21:04] see the Palestinians of today. They have [21:07] nothing to do with the Philistines in [21:09] the Bible or with the Canaanites that [21:11] are also mentioned in the Bible. This is [21:13] a new invention uh that came to be in uh [21:16] modern history [21:18] >> on September 22nd this year 2025 and [21:23] also on September 15 a high level [21:26] international conference [21:28] co-chared actually by France and Saudi [21:30] Arabia [21:32] was held in the United Nations [21:34] headquarters in New York to revive [21:37] efforts towards a two-state solution [21:41] and it was interesting. 157 states they [21:45] recognized Palestine as a sovereign [21:48] state. What do you think about that? [21:52] >> I think that uh no resolution, you can [21:56] have a thousand conferences, you can [21:58] have a thousand resolutions. It is not [22:01] going to change history. This is the [22:03] land of Israel. Uh if you want to find a [22:05] solution, we are all for it. Uh but but [22:09] this is a fact that we offered the [22:10] Palestinians uh many solutions [22:12] throughout the years. You had prime [22:14] ministers like Olud Barak that offered [22:17] almost all of Judeian Samaria the West [22:19] Bank and still they said no. So you you [22:23] have to ask yourself what are the [22:24] Palestinian after? Uh what are the [22:27] Palestinians after? And they are not [22:29] after a state. What they are really [22:31] after is to uh kick us out of our [22:34] homeland. This is what they're after. [22:36] Look, I'm willing to respect and to call [22:39] them by this invented name in my [22:41] opinion, but I demand the respect the [22:44] respect back and the fact that we saw [22:46] nations that in this war of survival [22:49] that we are fighting as facing seven [22:52] different fronts, the eight front if you [22:54] uh include the media war um and that's [22:57] when countries decided to recognize [23:00] Palestine. They b Let me translate what [23:03] we Israelis perceived this as kamas [23:05] attacked, kamas kidnapped, kamas [23:07] butchered and then they receive a gift [23:10] from the international community that [23:12] said you should you should keep going uh [23:14] because this is what's giving you [23:15] results. And actually we saw kamas [23:17] officials that's that congratulated uh [23:20] these efforts to recognize Palestine and [23:22] they said this is because of our war on [23:25] the Jews that's finally the world is [23:28] giving us a state. Um but but then you [23:31] have to you have to keep in mind they [23:32] are not after a state. They're after [23:34] killing Jews. [23:36] >> But I think everyone wants a solution, a [23:39] good solution, a solution of peace. What [23:41] what would be the solution in your eyes? [23:44] >> I think that it's it's not a good idea [23:47] to to push people out of their homes. [23:50] I'm against doing that. Um and it's also [23:53] against the values the values of Judaism [23:56] that we we believe in preserving life. I [23:58] think the key to to end this conflict is [24:01] education. When you keep educating young [24:05] people, next generation to keep hating [24:07] Jews and to want to see the land free [24:09] from Jews, then you you don't break this [24:11] cycle of hate. Uh education is key to [24:14] end the conflict. Um but also [24:16] practically speaking, we need to find [24:18] some arrangement that uh keeps keeps [24:21] Palestinians where they are. Um it's uh [24:24] they have homes here and we uh we don't [24:27] have a problem with those who want to [24:28] live in peace with us, but we do have a [24:30] problem with those who want to kick us [24:32] out. That's that's a that's a that's a [24:35] problem. But you see the UN, the [24:37] international community, they have a [24:39] problem with Jews building homes in [24:41] Judea and Samaria. And they say that [24:43] this is a an obstacle to peace. What's [24:45] an obstacle to peace is killing people, [24:48] not building homes for Jewish families. [24:51] What do you say about the almost 2 [24:55] million Arabs living here in the land [24:58] with a Israeli passport? [25:01] >> You have peace with them, right? And [25:02] they you work together with them. [25:04] >> So this is something that a lot of [25:06] people don't know. You know, Israel, we [25:09] are roughly 10 million people and about [25:11] 21% of the population, they are Arab [25:14] with the majority of them being Muslim. [25:16] and they serve in the court. They serve [25:18] in the Kesset in our parliament. They [25:20] serve as police officers, as judges, as [25:23] but we only have one passport. We only [25:24] have one ID. There is no class A and [25:26] class B citizen. Um, and it's all [25:29] happening under the flag of Israel. Now, [25:32] if you look at what's happening under [25:33] the flag of Palestine, it's a whole [25:35] different story. Uh, we cannot go to [25:38] Palestinian cities. If I enter a city [25:41] like Nablas or Hebron, uh, I could be [25:43] lynched to death. uh Palestinians with [25:46] the right permits can come and work in [25:48] Israel. Before this war, we had over [25:50] 100,000 Palestinians coming to work in [25:52] Israel every day. So, if we are so bad, [25:55] why do they keep coming and uh and [25:57] working with us and wanting uh to do [25:59] business with us? Because they know the [26:01] truth. [26:03] >> So, what would be your final um [26:08] sentence for our viewers? [26:11] >> I look I think that the conflict is very [26:14] complicated to understand. You have uh [26:17] Judea, Samaria, then you have Gaza and [26:19] then you have all kinds of things. You [26:21] you need to agree that uh Israelis have [26:24] the right to live in security and safety [26:26] and they have the right to defend [26:27] themselves and also uh Palestinians they [26:30] have the right to live in in security [26:31] and in safety. Uh actually we we we we [26:35] never go and attack them. This is this [26:37] is not the reality. But um [26:39] >> I I wish for people to understand that [26:42] we are just like you guys. We want to [26:44] live in peace. I want to uh my my future [26:49] family to grow here in peace. I don't [26:51] want uh any more conflict. I served in [26:53] the army. I was stationed along the [26:55] borders. Uh we would much rather be at [26:59] home with our families than to be on the [27:01] border. But we understand that if we [27:03] don't do the this job of defending [27:05] ourselves, no one is going to do it for [27:07] us. I mean, at the end of the day, truth [27:09] is destined to win. Now, we live in a [27:12] world full of lies, but the lies, they [27:14] don't have roots. Truth is, truth is the [27:16] one has roots. And uh we know how this [27:19] story is going to end. And the [27:21] Christians that are watching us, I want [27:22] them to know that uh God did not change. [27:26] And uh it's going to it's going to be [27:28] difficult before it's going going to get [27:29] easier. But I do want to say thank you [27:31] to those who uh woke up and those who [27:34] decided to take a bold stand for truth. [27:37] And uh God sees uh people's hearts and [27:39] he also sees Israel's heart. Israel is [27:41] not perfect. No country is perfect. But [27:44] at the end of the day, standing with [27:46] Israel is standing with God's heart. Uh [27:49] that's that's what it comes down to. [27:52] >> Thank you. [27:52] >> Thank you. [27:53] >> We wish you all the best and peace and [27:56] God's blessing. [27:57] >> Thank you. [28:04] Israel is a country that wants to live [28:07] in peace. Han Napali and the Jewish [28:10] people he represents not only dream of a [28:13] colorful, diverse, and vibrant society. [28:17] Above all, they long for a life of [28:20] security and normality. [28:25] In its constant struggle for existence, [28:27] Christians in particular should stand [28:30] firmly by Israel's side and not lose [28:33] sight of biblical truths. [28:39] Dear viewers, the source of our news is [28:43] crucial and I would like to encourage [28:45] you to carefully examine where you get [28:48] your information about Israel. [28:51] For this reason, I believe that voices [28:53] like Hananya Napali are immensely [28:56] important. Ultimately, one can only [28:59] truly understand Israel through the book [29:02] of books, the Bible. And I would like to [29:05] encourage you to make the Bible your [29:08] most important book. [29:14] Thank you for joining us today. As [29:16] always, I bid you farewell with a [29:18] heartfelt shalom.
