Transcript [00:13] Shalom from Jerusalem. I'm Jonathan [00:14] Essen and this is TV 7's daily news [00:17] update. And in today's edition, we'll [00:19] focus on the latest arrangement or deal [00:24] that was struck between a number of the [00:26] mediators, namely Egypt, Qatar, and [00:28] Turkey with the Islamist Hamas in which [00:31] the designated terrorist organization [00:33] has apparently now agreed to disarm [00:35] after agreeing already a couple of [00:37] months ago. But now apparently it's [00:39] serious and President Trump has [00:42] announced on his Truth Social platform [00:46] that he is very excited about the [00:50] brighter horizon moving forward. [00:52] We'll talk about the ins and outs of [00:54] this deal. We'll also talk about the [00:56] latest developments vis-à-vis Lebanon, [00:58] Iran, the Strait of Hormuz, the [01:01] Saudi-led coalition now being formed [01:03] against the Houthis from blocking the [01:06] strategic Strait of Bab el-Mandeb, and [01:09] more. And to do so, I'm delighted to [01:12] have [01:13] both retired General Brigadier General [01:16] Mark Kimmitt, formerly an Assistant [01:18] Secretary of State for [01:19] Political-Military Affairs in the United [01:21] States, among others, joining us today [01:24] alongside with Dr. Rafael Bardají, who [01:27] formerly served as Spain's National [01:29] Security Advisor, currently CEO of [01:32] Worldwide Strategy. It's a pleasure [01:34] having both of you with us here today. [01:36] And Rafael, before we dive into the [01:40] intricacies of Middle Eastern politics [01:43] and warring, [01:44] uh how about you give us some clarity on [01:47] what happened yesterday when we saw [01:51] roughly 50 to 60,000 [01:53] Moroccans, mostly others from throughout [01:57] Africa flooding the border of Spain and [02:02] it it looked like an invasion to me but [02:04] nonetheless [02:05] there is more to it. [02:07] >> Yes, definitely Jonathan is not kind of [02:09] invasion. [02:11] In Israel they know very well how the [02:14] civilians are used for terrorist and [02:17] political purposes. Now we have seen [02:19] that many years Hamas and the PA [02:22] whatever. Now what we are seeing is the [02:24] use of civilians by a government of a [02:26] kingdom in Morocco to put some pressure [02:29] on the Spain because they didn't like [02:34] latest visit to Algeria which is [02:36] traditional strategic rival of Morocco. [02:39] It has nothing to do what we saw [02:41] yesterday with the economic immigration [02:43] with desperation from people from coming [02:45] from South Africa Southern Southern and [02:47] Sub-Saharan Africa [02:49] for a better life. It's just [02:52] putting people on the border of a small [02:54] city [02:56] that has been in Spain's hands since the [02:58] 12th century Ceuta and Melilla [03:01] which is a city of 60,000 people and [03:05] invade flooding them with the same [03:07] amount of [03:08] Moroccan civilians [03:10] which is making totally unsustainable [03:13] the services and the security and the [03:15] safety [03:17] of the people in those in those cities. [03:19] No. [03:19] Unfortunately [03:21] as I said Morocco has always taken [03:23] benefit when Spanish government is weak. [03:25] The current Prime Minister has been in [03:28] the wrong side [03:29] of the policy beside North African [03:31] countries and we are paying the price of [03:34] an open border policy [03:36] policy to try to please everyone in the [03:39] region against the the own interest [03:42] and at the end of the day we pay the [03:44] price. No, we have been criticizing the [03:47] US president. We have been criticizing [03:49] and demonizing Israeli uh government and [03:51] and state and everything is coalescing [03:54] against us in Europe [03:56] for this kind of uh call to illegal [03:59] immigration. So, I think we are in the [04:01] worst of the scenarios, but I hope that [04:03] the government, being that just a [04:05] political pressure, will [04:08] strike a deal with Morocco government [04:10] and most of the people will go back [04:13] sooner than later to Morocco where they [04:15] belong. [04:17] >> Prime Minister Sanchez has been uh a [04:19] proponent of essentially shifting [04:22] support from Western uh alliances to [04:25] include the United States in particular [04:27] to China. He has been, of course, uh a [04:30] devout socialist, a communist [04:33] essentially, who has been also very [04:36] vocal about altering certain rules of [04:39] the game, and this has also implications [04:41] for the rest of Europe considering the [04:43] Shenza uh Schengen and other aspects of [04:46] regulations, particularly to the [04:48] European Commission and institution at [04:50] large. [04:51] Uh how [clears throat] do you see that [04:52] complexity also impact the fact that [04:55] Spain is a vital country to the European [04:58] continent and a forefront to uh [05:02] migration from Africa that uh many [05:04] governments have been grappling with for [05:05] quite some time. [05:07] >> Well, I will say that uh you know, you [05:09] have to maintain the deterrence. [05:11] Uh and uh [05:12] because this is an orchestrated [05:14] movement. It's not just civilians [05:16] desperate running into the the first [05:18] world, no. This is a political [05:20] orchestrated action. So, you have to [05:22] start reestablishing the deterrence [05:24] vis-à-vis the government of Morocco. [05:26] And uh you know, it's very clear from an [05:29] NSTI perspective that weakness [05:32] uh is the the the cause of the conflict, [05:34] not strength. So, if the Spain [05:36] reestablishes their strength vis-à-vis [05:38] Morocco, we maintain our qualitative [05:40] military edge, and uh and uh and we [05:43] maintain uh we retain [05:46] uh escalation dominance, we will be able [05:48] to avoid future future events like we [05:51] saw yesterday and we are still seeing [05:52] today, you know. [05:53] Uh but if we surrender and we do nothing [05:57] and we have a very ineffective [05:59] government because there are too many [06:02] scandal of corruption around the Prime [06:04] Minister of Spain today, unfortunately. [06:06] Uh we are totally [06:08] disarmed. And [06:10] but again, I think this is just a [06:13] manifestation of anger from the King of [06:16] Morocco and the government of Morocco. [06:18] Uh [06:19] we took notice of it and I think we are [06:21] now dealing with how to repatriate such [06:24] a thousand of people from Ceuta back to [06:26] Morocco. [06:28] >> Indeed, of course [06:29] this has to do with a bilateral issue [06:32] and also you spoke earlier prior to the [06:33] show about the trip of the Spanish of [06:36] the Spanish Prime Minister to Algiers [06:38] and [06:39] the complexity between Algiers and [06:41] Morocco that is a whole other story [06:43] altogether. [06:44] But so I personally will continue to [06:47] follow this and we'll have additional [06:49] conversations later. I I'd like to turn [06:52] to General Kimmett [06:54] and ask you particularly about this [06:57] migration element despite not having [07:00] necessarily to do with the Middle East, [07:02] this has been a method conducted also by [07:05] Russia, by Belorussia, by others to try [07:08] and push migrants and essentially young [07:12] people seeking better lives or not just [07:16] that [07:17] in Europe from their borders against [07:20] Finland, we saw multiple cases happening [07:22] there against Poland where the Polish [07:24] government was actually quite strict and [07:26] and successful in frustrating those [07:29] moves from the East, but it seems like [07:31] this methodology is is not new in hybrid [07:35] warfare. [07:37] >> No, and and let's be clear here in [07:40] America that quote remigration of those [07:44] not holding proper visas and illegal [07:46] immigrants in America, um candidly for [07:49] this administration is a growth [07:51] industry. [07:52] Uh we recognize the impact on [07:55] the social welfare system inside of [07:58] America for legal citizens, and despite [08:01] the propaganda one hears about uh they [08:04] actually provide more taxes than they [08:08] consume. I think everybody understands [08:11] the implication of open borders, [08:13] uncontrolled uh flow of of uh [08:18] of uh [08:20] illegal immigrants. Now, [08:22] Turkey's a great example. They [08:24] gratefully brought in a significant [08:27] number of Syrians during the war and uh [08:31] the wars and um learn [08:34] lived to rue the day, and Erdogan's [08:36] doing everything he can to repatriate [08:39] those Syrian citizens primarily, [08:42] uh which were somewhere in the order of [08:43] 4 million, back to Syria, and it's it's [08:46] be- it's proving quite difficult. But uh [08:50] whether it is done for economic reasons [08:53] or whether it's done for tactical [08:55] reasons on the part of uh [08:59] countries such as Turkey [09:01] right now, on the other hand, sending a [09:03] significant number of Turks over to [09:05] Northern Cyprus to try to [09:08] Turkify Cyprus as a whole. It It is a [09:11] national security and international [09:13] security issue to be dealt with. [09:15] >> Indeed, and I think uh the the move by [09:18] the UN Secretary General to go to [09:20] Northern Cyprus and not condemn the [09:23] occupation there is really baffling uh [09:26] for the the so-called leader of this [09:28] international uh forum that has [09:31] had a active role in in dealing with [09:35] those type of of uh complexities, [09:38] illegal complexities at that uh for [09:41] quite some time. This is not a new [09:42] phenomenon. Uh this has been going on [09:45] until [09:46] uh centuries ago and of course uh [09:50] uh the Romans even had to deal with it. [09:52] Some of the first scrolls about Julius [09:54] Caesar speak about his first campaign [09:56] against the migration of Germans of the [09:59] Germanic tribes east of the Rhine to uh [10:03] Roman uh romantic civilization [10:06] uh and the condemnations of him [10:09] uh for murdering uh hundreds of [10:11] thousands of them while pushing them [10:14] backwards. Ultimately, this migration [10:16] caused the downfall of Western Rome [10:19] under [10:20] uh the the [10:21] uh that regime subsequently, but we'll [10:24] won't go into history there. Uh Dr. [10:27] Baldawi, when we're talking about uh the [10:30] shifting sands in the Middle East, Iran [10:33] has been doing this [10:35] the migration of Shiites both in Iraq [10:38] as well as in Syria as well as in [10:40] Lebanon. We've now seen the the new [10:44] Syrian government of Abu Muhammad [10:46] al-Julani or Ahmad al-Shara repatriating [10:49] some of the the prisoners in al-Hol camp [10:52] who were [10:54] uh members of the Islamic State into [10:56] areas that are dominated by either [10:58] Alawites or [11:00] uh Shiites in different locations in [11:03] Western Syria in order to con- solidate [11:05] power in those regions. [11:07] Uh this is something that isn't new. [11:09] It's happening in all areas and this is [11:12] part of those efforts by the various [11:14] groups to essentially assert dominance [11:18] with plausible deniability, so to speak. [11:21] How do you see that play out in the [11:23] current state of play? [11:25] >> Well, I think first of all that there is [11:27] nothing new under the sun on this on [11:29] this uh world, no? [11:31] Uh the the weaponization of [11:33] civilian population has been with us for [11:35] centuries. The forced [11:38] movement of people has been [11:41] without forever. I mean, you have to [11:43] just remember what happened in Europe [11:45] after the Second World War, no? Millions [11:47] of people were displaced because the [11:49] border was moved, no? According to the [11:51] victors. So, what we are seeing now is [11:54] this integration into a larger strategy [11:57] and a larger political ambition. When we [12:00] talk about hybrid warfare, as you [12:01] mentioned before, it's uh it's it's [12:04] understood that well, it has to be [12:05] something with cyber, the skies, the [12:08] outer space, tanks. [12:10] But, it's also dealing with aspects [12:12] which are non-military. And I think we [12:14] need to take into consideration how [12:17] civilians are weaponized weaponized now [12:20] by by current leaders, no? And uh [12:22] changing the the ethnic composition and [12:26] the demographics of a region [12:28] uh will will reassure some of the [12:31] uh power players [12:33] uh according to their wishes, no? So, [12:36] that's something that we we cannot turn [12:39] our eyes away from, no? Because [12:42] it's going to change the map. And it's [12:44] going to change the political, the [12:45] religious, the ethnic, and the cultural [12:47] map [12:48] uh in every region from Europe to the [12:50] Middle East to the China borders, no? [12:53] And uh so, that's something that we need [12:55] to take into our account and [12:56] consideration from the strategic [12:58] perspective. [13:00] >> Now, the reason I go down this rabbit [13:02] hole, General Kimmett, is because uh [13:04] this has been indeed a a uh complexity [13:08] that major powers and [13:10] state actors at large have been dealing [13:13] with for many years. World War I, [13:15] the Russians have pushed uh many of the [13:17] Germans in Slavic countries and and [13:21] uh the the Eastern Bloc of Europe, so to [13:23] speak, into Germany in order to [13:25] consolidate their power there uh [13:28] following the loss of Germany and and [13:31] now when we were dealing with a [13:34] October or October 7th reality in which [13:37] Hamas was [13:39] conducting atrocities against Israel, [13:42] the Trump administration initially said, [13:44] "We're going to move many of those [13:46] outside of those territories and see how [13:49] we can remigrate them into other [13:51] locations, third countries." Israel came [13:54] on board, of course, but there is of [13:56] course a shift in light of the [13:59] involvement of Qatar and and Egypt and [14:03] the Jordanians and the Turks in this [14:05] context pushing back at this very [14:07] strongly and with a campaign globally [14:10] of [14:11] media campaigns and other campaigns, [14:13] they managed to alter the discourse, so [14:15] to speak, within the the American [14:17] political system and are now trying to [14:20] reach some sort of arrangement and [14:23] accommodation of the 20-point plan with [14:25] a peace conference that President Trump [14:28] launched in Egypt at the time and now [14:30] having a new deal where Hamas [14:32] essentially pledges to disarm [14:35] in exchange for an Israeli withdrawal. [14:38] But is it truly sincerely [14:41] on board in this context or is it just [14:44] hoping for an Israeli refusal now in [14:47] order to go and play out its cards [14:50] at a time where it's seemingly [14:52] consolidating power in the territory [14:54] still under its control? [14:58] >> Now, first of all, just to put a period [14:59] at the end of the sentence on the issue [15:01] of forced migration, as [15:04] my great-grandparents were kicked out of [15:06] Ireland in during the potato famine and [15:09] shown to the nearest boats, [15:11] I think we got a better deal out of this [15:13] by [15:14] coming to America than staying in [15:16] Ireland. So, there are sometimes some [15:18] happy endings to the story. [15:20] Let's talk about Gaza. The fact remains [15:23] is I think we understand that like the [15:26] memorandum of understanding between Iran [15:28] and the United States, uh, [15:31] I would suspect that this agreement for [15:34] Hamas demilitarization and uh, turning [15:38] in their weapons is probably about as [15:41] uh, likely to achieve success. So, [15:45] but it's in the in the view of the White [15:47] House and the American view remains that [15:49] this is perhaps not promising, but at [15:52] least it's some sort of movement [15:53] forward. Uh, I don't think that anybody [15:56] on this show [15:57] believes that we're going to see a full [16:00] um, [16:01] fulfillment of that agreement, but it's [16:04] better better than backsliding. I'd [16:06] rather have a contract, a porous [16:08] contract moving forward, than one that [16:11] is moving backwards. [16:12] >> Dr. Baroudi, your take on that? [16:16] >> Well, [16:17] on Gaza, I think the the essential [16:19] problem is is a very basic one. It's [16:21] whether Hamas uh, is [16:24] playing tactics and and tricks as usual, [16:27] or if really has reached a point where [16:30] defeat is in on their mind, no? I doubt [16:33] it sincerely that this is the case. So, [16:35] I will take everything uh, on the future [16:38] of Gaza with a [16:40] grain of salt. I will move very [16:42] carefully. Uh, [16:44] I will assess very carefully the pilot [16:46] experience on how to run uh, [16:49] the new areas without the IDF presence. [16:52] And and how to expand those locations [16:55] and those pockets, if that's possible. [16:58] But again, Hamas has been [17:01] outplaying everyone in the last [17:03] three decades. Uh, don't expect them to [17:07] commit suicide politically, anytime [17:09] soon, no? If they do, it's because of [17:11] the IDF pressure on them. And uh, and [17:15] that's why I think the elements in the [17:18] deal that ask for the withdrawal of the [17:20] idea of presence from Gaza uh [17:23] is a wrong start. [17:26] >> Indeed. Well, I have yet to speak to one [17:29] practitioner, one national security [17:32] expert from any of the countries here in [17:35] the region or in the west that thinks [17:38] differently. [17:40] So, that is something to also take note [17:42] of. Um [17:44] let's turn to Iran for a moment. General [17:48] Kimmett, there are deliberations [17:49] currently, according to a number of [17:51] reports, between the state of Israel and [17:54] the United States, led of course by the [17:57] strategic security teams in the United [18:00] States, about potentially establishing a [18:04] land blockade on the Ayatollah regime in [18:06] Iran, ratcheting up pressure in order to [18:10] force it to its knees. [18:12] What can you tell us about that and to [18:13] what degree do you see this as a [18:16] potential deal breaker for the perpetual [18:20] defiance of this terrorist regime in [18:23] Tehran? [18:25] >> Well, [18:26] I think if we're talking about a land [18:28] blockade, we're going to be wasting a [18:29] lot of time and effort uh [18:32] for [18:33] a number of reasons. First and foremost [18:36] is unless we're talking about completely [18:39] cutting off [18:41] uh commercial transactions between Iran [18:44] and countries such as India for the oil [18:46] and countries such as Russia coming in, [18:50] I don't think it'll be very, very [18:51] effective and it will be very, very, [18:55] very manpower intensive. [18:57] Uh I remember [18:58] when asked by the by the NAC, the North [19:01] Atlantic Council uh how many [19:04] troops it would take to seal [snorts] [19:07] the border of Kosovo from the from [19:11] Serbia I came back with a conservative [19:14] estimate of three army divisions to do [19:17] that if you really wanted to seal the [19:20] border. [19:21] So, I don't think sealing the border is [19:23] ever going to happen. [19:24] Um and I just see that as a waste of [19:27] manpower. They can be manpower that can [19:29] be used for other to other good effect. [19:32] But, we'll see. [19:33] >> Fully manned divisions, I assume. [19:36] >> Fully manned divisions. We took a look [19:38] at the number of border checkpoints. We [19:40] assumed that we would need a company [19:42] on [19:43] uh all of those checkpoints in order to [19:46] be able to provide a platoon uh [19:49] full-time [19:51] rotating in and out with that company. [19:53] Um [19:54] so, that they could rest, refit, eat, so [19:56] on and so forth. And that added up to [19:59] three fully manned infantry divisions. [20:03] >> Dr. Barzegar. [20:05] Well, I think yeah, I [20:07] I agree totally with you and Al-Khamis [20:09] on that, no. [20:10] But, I I like to remind our viewers that [20:13] despite the narrative that the regime in [20:15] Tehran is very strong, [20:17] I would compare them to glass, no. They [20:20] are hard, but they are very fragile. [20:22] They are very divided. And I think if we [20:24] put the right amount of economic [20:27] pressure, [20:28] uh the regime will will face a hard time [20:32] to sustain them in power, no. [20:33] I'm very [20:35] positive and optimistic on that, no. [20:37] But, we need to put the pressure in the [20:38] right moment in the right time and the [20:40] right points. Think [20:43] going for a for a kind of land blockade [20:45] is [20:47] a fantasy more than anything else, no. [20:50] And you can achieve the same result [20:52] quicker just with different actions, no. [20:55] So, yes, keep the pressure on the [20:57] regime. [20:58] Uh [21:00] don't allow any oil coming through the [21:01] Strait of Hormuz, [21:03] uh to or from Iran, gasoline [21:05] particularly, and refined products. [21:08] Uh and we'll see. We have to wait. [21:11] >> Well, we don't have very much time left [21:13] and I'd like to still touch base more on [21:15] the strategic Strait of Hormuz. General [21:18] Kenneth, if we're talking now about the [21:22] the continued efforts by the United [21:24] States to to force this [21:27] international waterway open without the [21:30] the [21:31] um [21:33] the meddling of the IRGC into this [21:36] process, [21:38] what can be done beyond the kinetic [21:41] aspect and the diplomatic one at that in [21:44] order to bring about the desired [21:46] solution? [21:48] >> Yeah, well, on the issue of economic as [21:50] part of that, I think uh [21:52] regimes are not glass as much as they're [21:55] plexiglass. [21:57] They they do bend considerably and [22:00] America for the most part is [22:02] uh tattooed with the experience with [22:05] Cuba, which we've had an economic [22:07] sanction on for year for decades, [22:10] uh far longer than on Iran and it's [22:12] still holding. [22:14] Uh [22:15] what more can be done? I've I've [22:16] completely advocated for an [22:19] international maritime force that does [22:21] not include the Americans. Our [22:23] experience during the Tanker War [22:25] 1981-1988 [22:28] uh where we escorted, we the United [22:30] States escorted the Kuwaiti tankers in [22:33] and out of the Strait of Hormuz was [22:35] predicated on a single point that [22:38] America was a non-belligerent in that [22:40] war and as a result, the Iranians and [22:43] the Iraqis did not want to drag the [22:44] Americans into this war. [22:46] Uh I think we have a similar situation [22:49] now with the European powers who first [22:52] and foremost have far better mine [22:55] countermeasure capabilities and escort [22:57] capabilities than the United States [22:59] does. [23:00] Uh the United States has never had the [23:02] capability [23:03] >> General, the IRGC has already announced [23:05] and and the Deputy Foreign Minister of [23:07] Iran has carried that message on their [23:10] behalf that any European power that [23:12] sends either minesweepers or any other [23:16] type of vessel into the strategic Strait [23:18] of Hormuz will be regarded as an active [23:21] participant to the war and as such be [23:23] targeted for its involvement. So it [23:26] seems like this is currently off the [23:28] table from an Iranian perspective. [23:30] They're very [23:31] concerned about such a solution that [23:34] you're currently presenting which was [23:37] deliberated from what I hear from some [23:39] of those involved but [23:41] again, it seems like the Iranians are [23:44] not very keen on this. [23:46] On the other hand, [23:48] it is vital for the Europeans to join [23:50] and to enter the coalition. [23:52] Dr. Baradahei, do you see [23:54] >> May I finish my point that you [23:56] interrupted? [23:57] >> Yes, please but very briefly 20 seconds. [24:00] >> The fact is it simply comes down to the [24:02] fact that does Iran want to go to war [24:04] with Europe as well as the United [24:06] States? [24:07] And number two, [24:09] number two, can the governments of UK, [24:12] Germany, France and other so well [24:15] equipped forces to the population want [24:18] to withstand 20 and 25 dollar a gallon [24:21] gas in their countries without putting [24:23] pressure on their governments to do [24:26] something about this? [24:28] >> Dr. Baradahei, if you could follow up on [24:31] that point. [24:31] >> Yeah, very briefly. I think [24:34] no government in Europe today is willing [24:37] to join any operation [24:39] in the Strait of Hormuz until the war is [24:42] over or declared officially over. And [24:45] secondly, even if we were willing to do [24:47] it, we don't have the means. [24:49] Unfortunately, I disagree with General [24:52] Kimit on that. We we saw what happened [24:55] with the carrier sent by France that had [24:58] to be backed for maintenance and the [25:00] turbines were broken. We saw what took [25:04] the UK to send just a frigate to to to [25:08] Egypt. And I think [25:11] we have a lot of forces on paper, but it [25:14] has been poorly maintained on the naval [25:16] side. And uh [25:17] >> We we have we have inspected uh those [25:20] mine countermeasure ships that Britain, [25:23] France, and the UK have. And their [25:25] operational capabilities far more than [25:29] uh their aircraft carriers and their [25:30] frigates. They're [25:32] They have the capability, but as you [25:34] say, they don't have the willingness. [25:37] >> It all falls down to politics [25:39] eventually. Um we're [25:41] 30 seconds for each closing statement, [25:44] maybe. Uh General Kim, if you could also [25:46] touch on the Saudi angle, since they [25:48] have established a coalition to try and [25:49] open the Bab el-Mandeb. Uh is there a [25:52] viability in that being a success? [25:55] >> It's going to be tough. We know what [25:57] happened in the 2016-2017 [25:59] war that the Saudis and Emirates [26:02] conducted against the Houthis. And so I [26:04] don't give as much uh I don't give much [26:08] more probability of that succeeding in [26:10] the current case as it did back back 10 [26:12] years ago. [26:14] >> Dr. Baradahi, last 30 seconds are yours. [26:17] >> I think [26:19] we we are caught in a kind of a [26:20] strategic trap. On the one hand, we ask [26:23] ourselves for more time to see any [26:25] solution or any light at the end of the [26:27] tunnel, [26:28] but I think time is also running out. [26:30] So, [26:31] uh at some point, I don't know exactly [26:33] when, we will have to take a strategic [26:36] decision on how to proceed with Iran, [26:38] with the Houthis, and the whole region [26:41] as a whole. [26:42] >> Absolutely. Well, this is all the time [26:44] >> But but but if you're not Doctor, if [26:46] you're not playing, you don't get to [26:47] vote. [26:49] >> Well, I'm not voting. [26:52] But it's up it's up to the White House [26:53] to take a [26:54] >> What is up? The White House to take a [26:56] decision. [26:59] >> Gerald Kilmet and Dr. Rafael Badaki, [27:01] thank you very much for all of your [27:03] insights today. It's been very [27:05] interesting indeed. I'd like also to [27:07] thank all of you at home as well. [27:09] Until our next edition from here in [27:11] Jerusalem already wishing you a Shabbat [27:12] Shalom. [27:26] >> My name is Doron Gavish and my [27:29] background 30 years [music] of serving [27:31] in the Israeli Air Force. [27:33] My last job I was the commander of the [27:35] Israeli Air and Missile Defense. [27:37] During the introduction of the Iron Dome [27:40] to the defense [27:41] All of this allows me really to be part [27:44] of the team here in TV 7. It is super [27:48] important to have such a platform. We [27:51] talk about the global situation. We talk [27:54] about Israel and those different angles [27:57] which are relevant to the discussion.
