Transcript [00:00] Welcome back to this week in the battle [00:03] against jihad. I think that might be a [00:05] decent title. I don't know, Frank. We're [00:06] still struggling with a title for this [00:08] weekly segment. I think, you know, maybe [00:10] the jihad against jihad or the holy war [00:12] against jihad. I don't know. [00:13] >> How are you doing, Frank? [00:15] >> It is a holy war. [clears throat] This [00:16] is, excuse me, spiritual warfare of the [00:18] first magnitude. And I'm um I'm raring [00:20] to go. So, let's rip. [00:22] >> Amen. And you know, a few weeks ago, we [00:24] had Danny Burmaui on and he used the [00:26] term electoral jihad when he was talking [00:28] about how Mandani's victory was [00:32] portrayed in Arabic language media, not [00:35] the not the media coming out of the [00:37] Muslim community that's in English, but [00:40] their Arabic language media out there in [00:42] Michigan. And he showed how the [00:43] headlines actually use different wording [00:45] than they use in English. And they it [00:46] referred to it as a conquest. So, and [00:49] we're facing the same thing in in [00:50] Michigan with Abdullah Sayed. We've been [00:52] talking about that every week and we [00:54] have a great guest with us. But just to [00:55] tee him up before I bring him in, I want [00:57] to share a clip with you, Frank, and [01:00] with our viewers of uh a snippet of an [01:03] interview. Many people have probably [01:04] seen this already by now, but a snippet [01:06] of an interview that was done with u [01:09] with Abdul Elsed when he was being [01:13] interviewed by Brett Bear about his ties [01:17] to the Muslim Brotherhood. And here's [01:18] what he had to say. [01:21] Hold on, let me pull it up. This will [01:23] all get edited properly. [01:25] >> Mike Rogers has been really hitting this [01:26] Muslim Brotherhood thing. I know you [01:28] don't want to talk about your family and [01:29] the history there, but he goes back he [01:31] goes back he goes back to his Let me [01:33] just No, no, no. Let me just stop there. [01:35] >> You were asking this question to raise a [01:37] question about whether or not I have [01:39] dual loyalty. Specific his campaign [01:43] statement of the United States. [01:44] >> Thank you. And as as ev every senator [01:47] who's ever served, I will swear an oath [01:49] to that constitution. I'm not [01:51] interested. I'm not interested in any of [01:52] the report that ridiculous 2012 [01:55] statement in a letter. You're going to [01:57] you're going to pull that out of [01:57] context. You're going to you're going to [01:59] ask questions about my allegiance. Let [02:00] me just be clear. [02:01] >> This is Roger. I will ask you about [02:03] that. [02:03] >> Don't be Rogers's campaign. Be a be a [02:06] journalist. So, as a journalist, if [02:08] you're asking the question about my [02:09] allegiance to the Constitution, I have [02:11] never been a member of the Muslim [02:12] Brotherhood. I never will be a member of [02:13] the Muslim Brotherhood. I am interested [02:14] in serving the United States. I'm [02:16] interested in swearing an oath to the [02:18] Constitution that every senator has [02:19] swore an oath to. If the question about [02:22] my faith is the issue, which Mike Rogers [02:24] wants it to be, I think it is sad and [02:26] beneath him and frankly beneath the [02:28] president of the United States to make [02:30] that an issue because under our [02:31] Constitution, you're guaranteed the [02:32] right to pray as you choose to pray. Who [02:34] did you [02:38] >> All right. [02:40] So Frank, you know, just before we bring [02:42] Etton in, you know, u we're looking at a [02:46] guy who is a devout Muslim. And the [02:49] problem is that Islam is not only about [02:51] who you pray to, but the goal of Islam [02:53] is conquest. We know that that is the [02:55] goal. You know, every every faith has a [02:57] goal. Christianity's goal is that [02:59] everyone accepts Jesus as their Lord and [03:01] Savior. Judaism's goal is that everyone [03:03] worship, you know, or believe in the God [03:06] of Israel and adhere to certain moral [03:08] principles that derive from the Bible. [03:10] Every faith has a goal for the world. [03:12] And the and Islam's goal for the world [03:15] as stated in its own texts is governance [03:18] is actually ruling over the world. So I, [03:20] you know, here he is avoiding the [03:22] question uh and he's talking about the [03:24] president of the United States. Just [03:26] right before we bring Eton in, I know [03:27] that you you were talking about how the [03:29] president has leaned into this. just [03:30] maybe a comment about that and then [03:32] we'll bring in our awesome guest. [03:34] >> Well, first a comment about something he [03:36] said. Um, as you know, our bansharia.com [03:41] campaign has produced 12 what we call [03:44] micro documentaries. One is on the term [03:47] tea [03:49] which is the honored, condoned, in fact [03:53] obligatory practice of lying if it will [03:55] advance the faith. When a Sharia [04:00] adherent Muslim like Muhammad Abdul [04:04] Rakman Muhammad al-Sed says that he will [04:09] take the oath of office. [04:11] The question must be asked will he lie [04:15] in so doing? Because he cannot honorably [04:18] honestly reliably take that oath as long [04:21] as he actually subscribes to the program [04:23] you're talking about which calls for the [04:25] conquest of the United States. and of [04:27] course the replacement of its [04:29] constitution with Sharia. So to answer [04:32] your question I commend the president [04:35] not not criticize commend the president [04:38] for pointing out that Muhammad as he [04:41] calls him El is actually very much um [04:46] tied to the Muslim Brotherhood both [04:48] through family connections and his own [04:50] personal relationships with [04:52] organizations like the Council on [04:54] American Islamic Relations. It ought to [04:56] be front and center in this campaign [04:59] because we cannot have a United States [05:02] senator that is seeking the conquest of [05:05] the United States. Just can't happen. [05:09] That's absolutely right. Now, Frank, [05:11] someone who's done amazing research on [05:13] the influence operations that have been [05:15] run by Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood [05:16] in the United States is a good friend of [05:18] mine, Eton Fishberger. He's a he's a [05:21] mustfollow on X and he's an independent [05:24] researcher. Eton, you saw the clip. You [05:27] see how well how Elsa responded. You [05:30] know, I hear a lot of people, you know, [05:33] screeching on the internet about Israeli [05:35] influence in Washington DC. But you've [05:37] been you've been watching pretty closely [05:39] about where the influence is really [05:41] coming from. First of all, your reaction [05:42] to the clip and then what are we really [05:45] facing when it comes to Muslim [05:47] Brotherhood and Qatari influence in in [05:49] in our political system? [05:51] >> Sure. Well, first of all, thank you [05:52] again for having me. It's a great honor. [05:54] Uh I I I get a real kick out of all of [05:56] uh Abdul Elsay's interviews because he [05:59] didn't say it this time, but in one of [06:01] the interviews he gave recently either [06:02] with CNN or with uh maybe NBC News, he [06:06] says to the interviewer, "Are you [06:07] accusing me of lying?" And the [06:09] interviewer says, "No, I'm not accusing [06:10] you of lying." Well, I mean, I will [06:11] accuse Abdul Sayad of lying. Right? [06:14] Because we have there's irrefutable [06:16] evidence that his family is tied to the [06:17] Muslim Brotherhood. Uh his sister has [06:20] openly uh touted the fact that their mom [06:22] was in the Muslim Brotherhood in the [06:24] 1970s. Uh his father-in-law, Jukaku Ta, [06:28] was a longtime leader of ISNA. Um which [06:31] is one of these Muslim Brotherhood [06:32] groups that we could talk about in a [06:33] second. That's a Muslim Brotherhood [06:35] linked groups that's active in the [06:36] United States. His extended family has [06:38] been in the Muslim Brotherhood again by [06:40] the sister's own words. [06:42] uh he he signed a letter supporting uh [06:46] the Muslim Brotherhood president [06:47] Muhammad Morsey in Egypt uh back about a [06:49] decade and a half ago. So the the idea [06:52] that he's it's almost like insulting to [06:54] to the American public, right? Just to [06:56] say like, are you accusing me of lying? [06:58] Because he's he's literally lying and we [06:59] we we have it on tape. So that's just my [07:02] reaction to that. Um, in terms of the [07:05] Muslim Brotherhood and what we're facing [07:07] uh in in the West and in the United [07:09] States in particular, uh, just for those [07:11] who who don't know, I assume your your [07:13] audience is very learned on this topic, [07:14] having listened to you guys for for for [07:17] several months now. Uh, but the Muslim [07:19] Brotherhood was founded in Egypt in the [07:20] 1920s and has since sprouted into this [07:22] sort of transnational Islamist movement. [07:25] I would describe it as a terrorist [07:27] organization. So has the president of [07:29] the United States. And it has branches [07:31] all over the Middle East. and they've [07:33] made significant inroads particularly in [07:36] the United States where they have a [07:38] network of many different organizations [07:40] which we can get to if you're interested [07:42] but there's an entire network of groups [07:44] that are active in the United States [07:46] that have been linked by American law [07:48] enforcement to the Brotherhood. [07:51] So, so Eton, [07:54] you know, the Brotherhood, you say it's [07:56] it's all over the Middle East, but its [07:59] real home base is in Qatar. And you [08:03] know, and I know that the Qatari [08:04] government claims that they are not [08:06] supportive of the Muslim Brotherhood, [08:08] which is of course laughable. The entire [08:09] administration in Qatar uh is are [08:12] students of the leaders of the Muslim [08:14] Brotherhood. That's the clerics. they [08:16] house the uh the is uh you know the all [08:19] the all the all the Muslim Brotherhood [08:21] leadership is there uh you know so when [08:24] we talk about the Muslim Brotherhood [08:26] there's the organization there's the [08:27] ideology there's the network you know [08:30] [snorts] [08:32] going back to my question about like [08:34] Israeli influence versus Islamic [08:36] influence what can you tell us that you [08:39] found about about Qatar's inroads into [08:42] American public life [08:44] >> sure so the thing about Qatar is that it [08:46] is a very tiny state with a ton of [08:49] resources and it uses those resources to [08:52] sprout its uh its ideas which are Muslim [08:55] Brotherhood ideas all over the the world [08:58] and specifically in America the main [09:00] tool I would argue of their movement is [09:03] Alazer. Alazer uh God help us is the is [09:07] one of the biggest media outlets on the [09:09] planet. It is entirely it is maybe not [09:12] entirely funded but it is entirely run [09:14] by the state of Qar. It is largely [09:16] funded by the state of Qar. It's chaired [09:18] by a member of the royal family. Its [09:20] director general is a member of the [09:21] royal family. It has bureaus in the [09:23] United States with hundreds of [09:24] employees. And what it does is it sort [09:26] of like insidiously normalizes Muslim [09:29] Brotherhood talking points. And so they [09:31] kind of do what I like to describe as [09:33] this 9010 method that the Soviets used [09:35] to do as well, which is that the [09:37] majority of Alazer's coverage is kind of [09:39] normal, right? I mean, it's [09:41] indistinguishable from what you would [09:43] see on CNN or the New York Times, which [09:45] to my mind is pretty radical as it is, [09:47] but it wouldn't seem out of place in [09:49] those papers and those outlets. But then [09:51] there's that 10% of the time where Al [09:53] Jazer will say just the most insane [09:56] things on its coverage and it's [09:58] normalized for the American audience and [10:00] the American audience internalizes these [10:02] ideas and then they're radicalized [10:04] without even realizing it. I'm talking [10:06] about things like um did you know that [10:09] actually uh the Jews are running [10:12] Congress or did you know that everything [10:14] President Trump does is because he's a [10:17] subservient to uh Benjamin Netanyahu in [10:20] the state of Israel. So it's things like [10:21] that that to a normal person sounds [10:23] totally insane but because it's lumped [10:26] in with Alzer's other coverage it seems [10:28] normal. Another thing that they do is [10:30] they are the largest funer foreign [10:33] funder of American universities in the [10:35] world. They've pumped something like I [10:37] think six to eight billion dollars into [10:39] American college campuses. They're [10:41] funding uh chairs and departments in in [10:45] universities like Georgetown which is [10:47] the preeminent school for uh future [10:49] public servants in the US. So future [10:51] employees of the national security [10:53] agencies, the state department, the DOJ, [10:56] they're studying at Georgetown. They're [10:57] studying under Qatar funded professors. [10:59] Same thing with Northwestern. [11:00] Northwestern is one of the most [11:02] important, biggest journalism schools in [11:04] uh the United States. And a lot of their [11:05] students go on to work for the biggest [11:07] outlets on earth. They're being taught [11:09] by Muslim Brotherhood. Sorry, Qatari, [11:11] but I repeat myself, funded uh funded [11:14] professors. Uh I mean there's there's [11:16] some there's also registered foreign [11:18] agents, right? Qatar likes to accuse [11:20] everyone of being a foreign agent of the [11:22] dastardly Zionists, but in fact they [11:25] have spent hundreds of million dollars [11:27] over the last few years on uh 88 PR [11:31] firms pushing Qatar's agenda. They have [11:34] logged over, according to my notes, 700 [11:37] meetings with members of the US [11:40] government and Congress in the last few [11:41] years alone. Uh they spend an enormous [11:43] amount of money. the overwhelming [11:45] majority of their foreign agents are [11:47] actually based in Washington DC. They're [11:49] buying up real estate across the [11:51] country. They're owners of some part [11:53] owners of sports teams in in the United [11:55] States. And these are all sort of uh uh [11:58] pieces of their larger puzzle to uh to [12:02] indoctrinate the American public. And if [12:04] I I could just I know I'm on a tangent, [12:05] but one last point which is particularly [12:07] interesting is that you mentioned the [12:09] Muslim Brotherhood leaders in Qatar. So [12:12] Qatar is on record saying explicitly and [12:15] I'm quoting almost verbatim uh we don't [12:18] fund the Muslim Brotherhood and we don't [12:20] even have any Muslim Brotherhood members [12:21] in Qatar which is wild because do you [12:24] know who disagrees with that statement [12:26] is actually the Muslim Brotherhood [12:27] itself because there's an entity called [12:29] the International Union of Muslim [12:31] Scholars which is the supreme religious [12:34] authority for the entire global [12:36] brotherhood network and its headquarters [12:38] is in wait for it I know Frank knows the [12:40] answer it's in Qatar. are okay. And the [12:43] head of the uh IM for short is someone [12:47] named Ali al-Qaeda. [12:49] He was the student of the former Supreme [12:51] Religious Authority Alcaradawi. [12:54] And he is on record saying that Qatar [12:57] said, "Oh, come build your headquarters [12:58] here in Qatar. We'll give you all the [13:00] permits and we'll give you the funding." [13:02] So the Muslim Brotherhood itself is on [13:04] record acknowledging that their [13:06] religious authority is based and funded [13:08] out of Qar [13:10] >> and has been for many years. I mean for [13:12] many years prior to uh his [13:16] >> unlamented demise some years ago um the [13:21] operation and I I don't want to give a [13:23] complete pass if I may interject another [13:26] uh influence operation and that is of [13:29] Turkey [13:30] >> because Muslim Brotherhood operatives [13:32] are all over Turkey as well. Uh and [13:35] they're tapping into an infrastructure [13:37] that the Turks have been building in the [13:39] United States. Uh notably the largest [13:42] mosque on the east coast and Lenam, [13:44] Maryland is kind of a corporate [13:46] headquarters I think you might say for [13:48] the brotherhood and its influence [13:50] operations uh funded in no small measure [13:54] by the Qataris to be sure. But this is [13:56] this is really the crux of the matter [13:58] gentlemen. [14:00] We're talking about an entity that is a [14:04] terrorist organization. And I I use that [14:06] term because that's the technical [14:09] designation. It's a jihadist [14:11] organization through and through. Terror [14:13] is a technique of the jihadis. It is in [14:16] the emulation of Muhammad, as you guys [14:19] know, the perfect man, what is to be [14:24] done by all of his followers. And some [14:28] will engage in the violent kind of [14:31] jihad. Unfortunately, altogether too [14:33] many. Some will engage in the other [14:35] kinds of jihad. The Muslim Brotherhood's [14:37] uh explanatory memorandum, my favorite [14:40] show and tell, the secret playbook of [14:43] the Muslim Brotherhood talks about [14:46] civilization [14:48] jihad. What you do, I believe, [14:51] preparatorily for violent jihad. It's [14:55] the subversion. [14:57] It's the takedown. It's the penetration. [14:59] It's the settlement. [15:01] >> All of which has been going forward [15:02] relentlessly since it was written in [15:04] 1991 by Muhammad Akram, top Muslim [15:07] Brotherhood operative. [15:09] >> Yeah. Etan, you know, talk about Turkey [15:12] because I know that, you know, when we [15:14] talk about influence, obvious, you know, [15:15] Qatar, they bring the money and there's [15:18] been a lot written about and talked [15:19] about about Qatari money, but Turkey is [15:22] pretty active in in terms of media. [15:24] social media. Uh share with us some of [15:27] the things that you've discovered about [15:28] how they operate. [15:30] >> Sure. So I I'm really happy that Frank [15:32] brought up Turkey because Turkey, as he [15:34] mentioned, is is the other sort of hub [15:36] of of global brotherhood activity from [15:38] which a lot of this stuff emanates [15:40] >> and he also mentioned mosques on the [15:42] east coast of the United States. And [15:44] there's an entity that's the the [15:46] state-run religious authority in Turkey [15:48] is called the Dionet. I think I'm [15:50] pronouncing it correctly. and they fund [15:53] mosques in the United States. They fund [15:55] schools in the United States. Uh these [15:58] organizations, these schools, these [16:00] mosques, they're not registered under [16:01] any sort of like federal agency. They're [16:03] not registered under Farah, the Foreign [16:05] Agents Registration Act. And uh there's [16:07] virtually no oversight into these uh [16:10] these institutions and what the funding [16:12] from Turkey is actually giving them and [16:14] what's actually being promoted in them. [16:16] And so I think that uh you know, Frank [16:19] mentioned the civilizational jihad. this [16:21] is that they they're they're taking over [16:23] institutions and creating institutions [16:25] from scratch. They're doing both at the [16:27] same time and people just aren't paying [16:30] attention. Uh and I think the government [16:32] should really, you know, take take more [16:33] note of that. In terms of what else [16:35] Turkey is doing, it's interesting their [16:38] their model sort of resembles Qatar in [16:40] many ways and and it also doesn't. So in [16:43] terms of media, it definitely resembles [16:45] Qatar because like Al Jazzer, they also [16:48] have state-run and state funded media [16:50] outlets that are based in the US uh and [16:53] that promote Turkish and Muslim [16:55] Brotherhood talking points and and [16:57] narratives um and nobody seems to care. [17:00] And I think it it you know hearkens back [17:02] to this sort of disconnect between how [17:04] the West thinks of media versus how the [17:07] enemies of the West think of the media. [17:09] Uh that they just don't realize what a [17:11] threat it is. Like Americans think of [17:12] media as like a way to get information [17:15] whereas the bad guys in this case the [17:16] Muslim Brotherhood see it as a weapon in [17:18] their civilizational jihad. Uh [17:21] >> can you give an example? Can you give an [17:22] example of Turkeykey's media outlets in [17:25] the like you just mentioning that [17:26] they're funding media in the United [17:27] States just so that people are on their [17:29] guard and know what to look for. [17:31] >> Ah this is a good point. Uh so there's [17:33] one called TRT World and there's another [17:36] called Anadolu uh Anadolu agency in [17:40] full. And these two uh media outlets [17:42] have bureaus in um in New York City. [17:45] They have in Washington DC. They have [17:48] press passes for Congress and for the [17:50] State Department and you know the Pentag [17:53] they have access to everyone and [17:55] everything. They're treated as just any [17:56] other media outlet. And uh they are uber [18:00] viral on social media. Americans consume [18:02] their content, you know, constantly very [18:05] like tailored for a very young audience, [18:07] but these these outlets are are staffed [18:10] by people that are veterans of the [18:12] Turkish government and the [18:13] communications apparatus. And uh you [18:15] know, just just an example of like the [18:16] kind of insidious uh nefarious stuff [18:18] that these outlets uh post and and write [18:21] about. Um, the free press had a huge [18:24] expose at the height of the the uh [18:27] Israel Hamas war and the uh quote [18:29] unquote famine crisis in Gaza. And the [18:34] Anadou agency, I think it was, kept uh [18:37] publishing these these images of these [18:40] children, these these babies, these [18:42] toddlers, and they looked very uh [18:44] malnourished. It looked like they were [18:46] starving. And uh it was really [18:48] heartbreaking and it really was a was a [18:51] big sort of a a big reason why the the [18:54] famine hoax got so much traction in the [18:56] west is because of images like these. [18:58] And the free press did an investigation [19:00] and found out that a lot of these [19:02] pictures or most of these pictures were [19:05] of kids who were suffering from terrible [19:07] genetic disorders like cerebral pausy [19:09] and things like that. And Anadolu failed [19:11] to failed chose not to disclose that uh [19:15] to to the audiences. And so Anadulu has [19:17] a, you know, they're syndicating these [19:19] images. They're being picked up by the [19:21] New York Times and they're not [19:24] disclosing the fact that these are all [19:25] it's all fakery. And so that's just an [19:27] example of uh of the type of thing that [19:29] uh that Anadulu and and TRT promote. [19:31] >> You've seen this of course with the [19:33] Palestinian Authority media in Gaza. [19:36] >> Same thing. Yeah. Hamas, of course. Um [19:39] this is tea on a epic scale. And and let [19:42] me just add that um in a way it's vastly [19:46] worse than you've suggested in terms of [19:48] this penetration of the educational [19:50] system [19:53] arguably apart from the Turkish [19:57] government but I believe very much [20:00] aligned with it is the entire Gulen [20:04] educational empire. I've been spending a [20:07] lot of time in Texas. I've lost track of [20:09] how many of these so-called Harmony [20:11] schools, this is the brand they do [20:13] business with there and a few other [20:15] places, I think, but I believe it's like [20:17] 60 schools just in that state alone. And [20:21] it's not just funded by the Turkish [20:22] government, it's funded by the US and [20:24] state governments in this country. Uh, [20:27] and I actually was involved in a fight [20:29] to prevent them from building one here [20:31] in Lowden County, Virginia, where I [20:33] live. and the exposure that we went [20:37] through to document that this is in fact [20:41] a foreign influence operation [20:44] um masquerading as a STEM educational [20:47] system and they actually have parents [20:49] and places who think this is just the [20:51] bee's knees but in point of fact I don't [20:55] think it's so much that they're [20:56] educating and you know indoctrinating in [20:59] Sharia but they're certainly [21:00] indoctrinating in Turkish nationalism [21:03] which under reuphan of course is the [21:06] same thing basically but the point is [21:09] this is this is serious business on the [21:12] part of our enemies and it's it's [21:15] fundamentally tea and it's devastatingly [21:18] effective especially with the young [21:19] people you know when you get uh Scott [21:21] Rasmusen one of our best pollsters the [21:23] other day [21:25] published a a survey that he had done a [21:28] national survey [21:30] in the 18 to 24 year old cohort report. [21:35] I believe it was 43% [21:38] of those he asked were good with Sharia [21:42] and I think another 39% didn't have too [21:45] much of a problem with it. So you're [21:47] talking about people who have been [21:50] inculcated with uh this enemy propaganda [21:54] and it is let's be clear enemy [21:57] propaganda. seeking as I said at the [21:58] outset Becca Pac the destruction of our [22:03] country uh the replacement of our [22:06] constitution with the Sharia code. [22:11] You know it seems that the that the u [22:13] the canard that Israel has undue [22:16] influence in the United States is is uh [22:18] is really just a misdirection play to [22:20] keep people from seeing where the real [22:22] influence operation is coming from. I [22:24] know there's also a there's also a very [22:25] popular Twitter account that posts news [22:27] clips called Clash Report that a lot of [22:29] people watch [22:30] >> which I I I think that's also Turkish [22:32] funded was I think you exposed that a [22:34] few months back. [22:35] >> Yes. Yes. I had the uh great privilege [22:38] of uh uncovering one of uh Okay. So here [22:41] there's a story here, right? So So since [22:44] the the onset of the Israel Hamas war, [22:46] there's been an account called Clash [22:48] Report that has sprouted up. It gets an [22:51] enormous amount of traction. uh it's [22:53] it's retweeted and its content is shared [22:55] across all of social media by sitting US [22:58] senators, congressmen, parliamentarians [23:01] in Europe because it listen, it's [23:04] unfortunate, but we do have to recognize [23:06] the enemies are really good at this and [23:08] in many ways when it comes to media, [23:10] they're a lot better than us at this [23:12] because again, they see this as like a [23:14] civilizational fight and this is a [23:15] weapon whereas it's not just like a a [23:17] way to give information. There's [23:19] actually like a a strategic goal for [23:21] these for these media outlets. Anyway, [23:23] so Clash Report is going super viral and [23:26] something really bugged me. [23:27] >> Let me just interject. They have they [23:29] have almost a million followers on X. [23:31] >> They have almost a million followers, [23:33] but their reach it actually far [23:35] outweighs even an account that has a [23:36] million followers. I'm talking it really [23:38] has an unfathomable amount of traction. [23:41] And they do the 9010 method that I was [23:43] talking about earlier. How 90% of the [23:45] content that they promote is really like [23:47] it's good content. It's this breaking [23:49] thing. They're always first. They're [23:50] really good at this. They have a whole [23:51] team behind them. I'll get to that. Uh [23:54] when the when the uh Operation Epic Fury [23:58] was was bravely launched by President [23:59] Trump uh in February of uh 2026, [24:04] the something changed in Clash Report [24:06] where the 9010 method started to become [24:08] like 7030 or 6040, right? where the the [24:13] portion of just IRGC propaganda and [24:18] anti-semitic conspiracy theories and [24:20] anti-Trump propaganda went up to 11. It [24:23] just it they they totally um took the [24:26] leash off and they went they went [24:27] absolutely crazy. And so I thought, [24:28] okay, well, something's weird here. Why [24:30] would they go so crazy when this war [24:32] started? Uh and that's when I started to [24:34] look into what actually is Clash Report. [24:36] What is this entity? Who's funding it? [24:38] Who's behind it? It presented itself as [24:41] westernbased. If you go on to its X [24:43] account, it would have it said uh up [24:45] until I exposed it, it said based in [24:47] North America and everything is in [24:49] English. Then I went behind the scenes. [24:51] I went to the technical infrastructure [24:53] of the website using all these you know [24:55] tools that I uh that I've developed and [24:57] I found that actually it is based in [24:59] Turkey and it is uh run by uh by former [25:04] members former uh senior staff of TRT [25:07] world and on Adulu and actually has ties [25:10] to Erdogan's family itself. I'm talking [25:12] his son-in-law who is also the top drone [25:15] manufacturer of Turkey, a big arms [25:17] dealer. Uh has ties to his daughter. [25:20] It's run by a found by a a company [25:22] called Monologue Media based in in in [25:24] Istanbul. And uh they just they hit [25:27] everything. It was very opaque. But I I [25:29] exposed it. I exposed listen it's it's [25:31] being run by members of Erdogan's family [25:33] and they're not talking about it. [25:34] They're hiding this. This is not okay. [25:36] This is not okay. And uh it started an [25:39] entire an entire ruckus. And uh and and [25:42] now I'm happy to say that the you know, [25:45] Class Report is very open about who they [25:47] are now. And uh I think that there needs [25:48] to be repercussions uh for for the the [25:51] game that they were trying to play and [25:52] trying to hoodwink the American people. [25:54] But I think that at least transparency [25:56] is a is a first step. [25:58] >> Could I just make two quick points, [26:00] Pesak? One is that uh [26:03] unsaid [26:05] in it's excellent depiction of what's [26:07] going on here is that both Qatar and [26:11] Turkey [26:13] are ostensibly our allies. major [26:16] non-NATO allies in the case of tur [26:18] cutter and an actual NATO ally in the [26:22] case of Turkey. So the idea that these [26:25] nations would be actively weaponizing [26:29] influence operations against this [26:31] country to advance the Sharia agenda [26:36] is something that talk about the need [26:38] for accountability. Uh let's start [26:40] there. The other thing that I just think [26:42] is really important is we're talking [26:44] about all of this in the context uh [26:48] we're seeing it play out in the most [26:50] vivid terms imaginable in France and [26:54] some other nations at the moment but it [26:57] is operating in our country for sure as [27:00] well and that is what's been called the [27:03] red green I call it axis others call it [27:06] the red red green alliance in the mix of [27:10] what I've is talking about is the [27:13] immense amplification [27:15] that much of this stuff gets from, wait [27:18] for it, Tik Tok, which the Chinese [27:22] Communist Party is weaponized as an [27:25] instrumentment of um their influence [27:28] operations and I would argue mass [27:30] destruction actually that is also hooked [27:34] up with immense numbers of mostly young [27:37] Americans. uh by some estimates is like [27:40] 150 million. Uh that's not just young, [27:42] but but of all ages, but specifically [27:44] the young. And we're told that they [27:47] regard it as a reliable news and [27:51] information source when in fact and I [27:54] don't know whether it's 9010 or 7030 or [27:56] or what exactly but to the extent that [28:00] it is not just dance videos and other [28:02] crazy nonsense but it is information and [28:05] it is regarded as a trusted news source. [28:08] It is an influence operation that [28:11] reinforces, [28:12] amplifies, and unfort [28:17] friends in Qatar and Turkey and the [28:19] Muslim Brotherhood more generally are up [28:21] to. No. [28:21] >> All right, final comment. Eton. [28:23] >> Oh, sure. I was just going to say, [28:24] Frank, I think that uh it's really [28:26] important what you're what you're saying [28:27] and it's also no coincidence that Qar [28:29] invests heavily in social media [28:31] platforms including Tik Tok, including [28:34] X, including all them. And I I just I [28:37] love what you're talking about Tik Tok [28:38] specifically because you know I propo [28:40] the Red Green Alliance back when China [28:42] was still formally running and and in [28:44] charge of of Tik Tok. Uh if you guys [28:47] remember early in the in the war Osama [28:49] bin Laden's letter to America in which [28:51] he justifies the World Trade Center [28:54] attack September 11th attacks. Uh he you [28:57] know this letter that he wrote [28:58] afterwards justifying it explaining to [29:00] the American public why he had to take [29:02] these measures that was trending on [29:04] TikTok. Now, as someone who knows a lot [29:07] about social media, I'm telling you, [29:09] Osama bin Laden's letter to America [29:11] doesn't trend in a vacuum. It doesn't [29:13] just spontaneously trend itself into [29:15] existence. There was a a switch that was [29:17] flipped to get it to trend. And you see [29:20] millions of posts on Tik Tok of of young [29:24] people who are like, "Well, it's really [29:25] crazy. There's this there's this thing. [29:27] There's this letter to America by Bin [29:29] Laden. You know, he actually really [29:30] raises some good points. It's really [29:32] valid." And it's just [29:36] >> I just think it was like it's it's it's [29:38] the best example of how this these [29:39] social media platforms are used in this [29:42] information war. [29:44] >> All right, we're going to have to leave [29:44] it there, gentlemen. Um there's so much [29:47] more to talk about. Eton, hopefully [29:49] we'll have you back on again in the [29:51] future. And uh and Frank, the battle [29:54] rages on. We have an election in Israel [29:56] this week. We'll have a lot to talk [29:57] about next week. So, uh, you know, keep [30:00] up the fight and, uh, and thank you for [30:02] doing this as always. [30:03] >> Thank you for putting this together. And [30:05] Eton, pleasure to meet you and thank you [30:07] for your great work. We'll be talking. [30:08] >> Likewise. Likewise. Thank you.
