Transcript [00:00] Ah, second one. Second. We'll skip. [00:04] >> I saw I was watching watching your live [00:05] and I'm like, "All right, he's about to [00:07] skip and I know there's a delay, so I [00:08] wanted to skip a little bit." What's up, [00:10] Obiv? How you doing? I missed you, [00:12] >> Hashem. It's been, bro. I just been [00:14] watching your meteoric rise. You're in [00:19] awe. [00:20] >> You've been crushing it, bro. You've [00:22] been crushing it. [00:22] >> Thanks, brother. You, too. I see your [00:24] stuff, too. Last time me and Joseph saw [00:26] each other was in Jerusalem at the Flag [00:29] Day parade. It was so amazing. [00:32] >> I've always wanted to go to that parade [00:34] and then I go and then I see you. You [00:35] tap me on the shoulder. I turn around. [00:37] I'm like, "Ah, [00:38] >> sorry. I had you censored there." Sorry, [00:40] Chad. He was censored because I didn't [00:41] want you to see Nick. I just wanted to [00:43] dominate the screen. No, no, you're here [00:45] now. He He wasn't doing anything [00:46] untoward. [00:49] >> You have a little like block button. [00:51] >> Yeah. I don't know how you do it. Like [00:53] the [00:55] It's very rare that I see something [00:58] degenerate on here, but it pops up from [01:01] time to time. Do you not get any of the [01:02] degenerates? [01:04] >> That's like 90% of what I get. [01:07] >> No, no, no. By degenerates, I mean, um, [01:10] body parts and things that would lose [01:13] your stream. [01:14] >> No, actually, no. I the most I get is [01:17] like sometimes you'll connect with a [01:19] female and she'll just like start [01:21] twerking that even that's pretty rare [01:23] but like I've never gotten [01:25] >> like [01:25] >> I know no I like OM TV is horrendous for [01:29] that's why I've come over to here um and [01:32] a couple of days ago it happened and I [01:34] had my sensor image up and I saved the [01:36] stream and everyone was yeah saved. Um [01:39] >> Oh good. Yeah, I do have a block button, [01:41] but maybe I should start using it a [01:43] little bit more. Just like keep my hand [01:45] on the like right there. It's like I'm [01:46] blocking you. I'm blocking you. I need [01:47] to [01:48] >> need to do that. Anyways, do you [01:50] normally come on at this time? [01:52] >> Um, I've started coming on whenever I [01:54] can. I never used to do lives, but [01:57] everyone else is and I thought I'd like [01:59] join the party and I saw you were [02:01] streaming with Mizrai, so I thought, [02:03] okay, I there's um you mingled free. [02:07] He's doing it. How did How did it go [02:08] with Rabbi Misrai? How did that go? [02:10] >> Uh about uh 60 to 70% of my chats like, [02:14] "No, don't talk to this guy." And 30%'s [02:16] like, "I love this guy." And I'm just [02:19] like, "Oh, man." No, it's it it was [02:21] fine. I mean, I challenged him in some [02:23] stuff. He answered his way. And I think, [02:26] you know, conversation is always good. [02:27] Uh regardless if you agree, disagree, or [02:29] anything in between. I think it's uh uh [02:32] I think it's always important to have [02:33] that conversation. We get smarter [02:34] because of it. [02:36] And what what's what's next for you [02:37] because you've literally taken over the [02:39] internet. You are now hands down the the [02:42] goat when it comes to debates. Like [02:43] you're getting all of our greatest [02:45] debaters like Nick Matau is is my go-to. [02:50] I um I'm actually flying out to Orlando [02:53] in [02:54] >> well technically tomorrow now because [02:56] it's past midnight. So on Friday I'm [02:58] going to be flying out to Orlando and [03:00] I'm going to be having a debate in [03:01] person at Debatecon 9. Um, on Saturday [03:05] I'm going to be debating someone named [03:07] First Amender. I think some leftist [03:09] about who's in the right or wrong Israel [03:11] Palestine. And then on Sunday I'm going [03:13] to be debating. It was going to be [03:14] another person, but unfortunately he [03:15] wasn't able to show up. So now I'm going [03:16] to be debating uh what's his name, chat? [03:19] Nadir Ahmed. Nadil Akmed. [03:22] >> Oh, is he? [03:23] >> I think I I know. I'm pretty sure I know [03:25] that guy. He's very respectful. He's [03:26] like he's he's more of a calm um if [03:29] >> Honestly, I couldn't tell you. [03:31] >> Yeah. Yeah. If it's who I'm thinking of, [03:33] you'll walk the you'll dog walk him. But [03:35] he's a nice guy. If it's who I'm [03:36] thinking of. [03:37] >> Um, [03:38] >> everyone told me like, or by everyone, I [03:40] mean the modern day debates who's [03:42] hosting the live. They're just like, [03:43] "Hey, uh, can we like who do you want? [03:45] We need to switch you out because the [03:47] guy last minute couldn't show up. It's [03:49] not his fault. It's the UK government's [03:50] fault. They didn't approve like some [03:52] visa or something." I don't know. [03:53] Anyways, um, I said anyone. If the if [03:56] the topic's Israel Palestine, literally [03:58] pick anyone in the world, I'll say yes. [04:00] And so they they scheduled it. So you [04:04] know, good. [04:04] >> I I really want to know who couldn't [04:06] debate it from the UK now as um [04:09] >> it was his name's History Speaks. I [04:11] don't know his name, but that's [04:12] >> Didn't you just debate him? [04:14] >> No. No. He was supposed to debate me in [04:17] person um at Debatecon 9 last minute. [04:21] >> Was that the same guy though? You did [04:22] debate history speaks. Yes. No. Who was [04:24] the guy you just recently debated? Leon [04:27] or Leo? Leo. Who? Um, Leo Filas or Leous [04:31] or something like that. [04:32] >> So, that wasn't History Speaks cuz I [04:34] don't know what History Speaks looks [04:35] like. [04:36] >> I thought that was History Speaks. Okay, [04:37] I got confused. [04:39] >> Um, Nadar Amed. [04:43] Let me see if I can find his name or his [04:46] face because there's like a lot of Nadar [04:47] Akmed. Trying to find the right one [04:49] here. Jeez. Nadir Akmed. [04:53] Hold on. Let me show you him real quick. [04:56] Uh [04:58] that this guy that's on the uh this guy. [05:01] >> Oh, no. That's not who I'm thinking of. [05:02] I But I do know who that is. You'll [05:04] still walk the floor. [05:06] >> Yeah, it'll be okay. [05:07] >> Yeah. [05:08] >> Nobody I'm supposed to I might I mean [05:12] I'm supposed to be debating Anakasparian [05:14] in December at Penn State. I hope it [05:16] happens. [05:17] >> No, it'll be that will be fun. She's [05:19] >> I did uh just sign a contract also to [05:21] debate Owen Shroyer at UCLA also in [05:24] December. [05:25] >> You have to sign contracts to debate [05:27] him. What What does the contract say? [05:28] What's the terms? [05:29] >> Well, actually, let me rephrase. I did [05:31] send it back because there's a couple [05:32] things that I wanted changed. Um it's a [05:34] pretty basic contract. Uncensored [05:36] America, they they do contracts. It's [05:39] pretty basic. It's nothing crazy, but I [05:41] had them change a couple sections [05:43] because there was like, you know, [05:45] there's some basic stuff like if there [05:48] has to be lawyers involved because let's [05:51] say I show a copyright, like let's say I [05:54] play a video during my debate and [05:55] there's like a copyright, they are [05:56] saying they're not responsible for my [05:58] negligence. That's fine. There's some [06:00] wording where it was like it was kind of [06:01] implying overall and I was like, "Hey, I [06:03] think it should just be whoever's [06:05] negligent fault. They should pay the [06:07] appropriate amount." It's It's one of [06:08] those things that's like it'll never [06:09] happen, we'll be fine, but like if it [06:11] does kind of thing, but the contract's [06:13] pretty normal. [06:14] >> So, I' I've never signed a contract for [06:16] a debate, but that's probably because [06:18] I'm on the streets when you mingle. [06:20] >> Honestly, I most of the time I don't. [06:24] This is uh not the first time I've ever [06:26] had to, but one of the first times. It's [06:28] not It's not common, but [06:30] >> I think I'm going to go to speaker's [06:31] corner when I'm next to the UK, and when [06:33] Muhammad Jab comes up to me, I'm going [06:34] to pull out here. Um [06:37] >> Sean Kelly wants me to debate Muhammad [06:39] Dijab. I already said yes, but I said [06:40] can it be on Israel Palestine. I don't [06:42] get me wrong, I don't mind debating on [06:43] Islam also, but it's just like he always [06:46] debates that and I know he has an [06:47] opinion on Israel Palestine. So I'd love [06:49] to I'd love to debate him on Israel [06:51] Palestine. [06:51] >> He's also he's not good on Israel [06:53] Palestine. There's no when um went to [06:56] debate him. my son BK a PDF with every [07:00] talking point Muhammad hijab was going [07:01] to bring up [07:02] >> and he did [07:03] >> and he raised every point but Shaly Bate [07:06] couldn't open the PDF I like I thought I [07:08] was a boomer he couldn't open the PDF [07:10] and so he went in dead like every [07:13] accusation it was so predictable because [07:15] he said he said it every single time so [07:16] with hijab just go over his previous [07:18] debates or his recent ones and you'll [07:20] get all his talking points [07:22] >> you're like I literally gave you a cheat [07:24] sheet Yeah. [07:26] >> Anyways, what's next for you, brother? [07:29] >> What's next for me is a lot more content [07:30] for I I think the the new front line is [07:34] Juda and Samaria. Um Shaman [07:38] >> and there's no one really doing serious [07:42] campaigning on the ground, advocacy on [07:44] the ground, recording what's going on. [07:45] So, a lot of my focus is pivoting to [07:47] here because I think Gaza, Lebanon, [07:49] things will calm down [07:51] >> and they've already switched the focus. [07:53] They're they're very much here. [07:54] >> You're right. [07:55] >> And so Ahmed, [07:56] >> man, can't wait to come back to Israel. [07:58] I need to need to schedule that trip [08:00] pretty soon. [08:01] >> Um, [08:02] >> was the last time you were here? The the [08:03] flag or were you here? [08:04] >> Y that was last time. [08:07] >> It's an amazing place to visit. [08:09] >> I know. It's one of it's like one of the [08:11] only places. Sometimes when I'm on [08:12] vacation, I've been to a lot of places [08:14] around the world. You know, I never like [08:16] leaving vacation. It's always fun. But, [08:18] you know, sometimes I'm like, you know, [08:19] I just kind of miss sleeping in my own [08:21] bed. I miss Israel is the one place [08:23] where it's like I can be there for a [08:25] whole year straight but like and [08:27] sometimes I'll feel like all right I'm [08:28] ready to go back home but the second [08:29] you're walking down that that top part [08:32] of Benoran airport it's just like all [08:34] right I don't want to leave [08:36] >> and anyone in the chat who's been to [08:37] Benorian knows as you enter Benorian and [08:39] they've got the old mosaics on the wall [08:41] and you're going down the ramp [08:43] >> it's an amazing feeling it's amazing [08:45] feeling [08:45] >> when you're going back you're looking [08:46] down at the ramp and you're like [08:48] >> but you you know what when you come here [08:50] next it's going to be horrendous for you [08:52] because when you came last time you were [08:55] famous on the Jews now you're like [08:59] insane levels of like awareness you'll [09:02] not be able to take two steps without [09:03] being carried when I was with Nick by [09:05] the way what happened was we s spotted [09:07] each other we started talking we had 30 [09:08] seconds of speaking before a crowd came [09:11] running picked him up put him on their [09:13] shoulders and ran into the old city like [09:16] he was David King Davis [09:18] >> against my against my permission by the [09:20] way but I loved It wasn't bad. But yeah, [09:22] they just like all of a sudden I felt my [09:24] legs being picked up behind me. I was [09:26] like, there's nothing I can do. I I [09:28] actually do um the people I'm with, they [09:32] provide security for me uh when I'm when [09:34] I'm in Israel, which feels a little [09:35] weird, but it is what it is, right? She [09:38] is [09:38] >> incredible. I love her. She she I I [09:41] trust her with my life. She is so [09:42] protective. But she had to split off [09:45] when that moment happened. And so I [09:47] laughed and I told her I was like, "Oh, [09:48] you should have seen. I uh somebody [09:50] picked me up on my shoulders and I had [09:51] it on video." She was like, she went so [09:54] red. She's like, "If I was there, I [09:55] would have been so mad." I was like, [09:57] "Well, it's a good thing you're not [09:58] there because she is she's uh she's [10:00] she's feisty. She's very feisty. She's [10:03] she was like in special forces. She's I [10:05] like I said, I trust her with my life." [10:07] >> Have you ever been over the Greenland [10:09] when you've been here? Did you do any [10:10] tours settlement? [10:12] >> Every time. And I've been to Israel [10:14] three times and I always make sure I go [10:15] to Judea, Samaria. I have to within 24 [10:18] hours I have to go to Jerusalem. [10:20] >> That's non-negotiable. And I have to go [10:23] as many times as I can because Jerusalem [10:24] is my favorite. This time was the first [10:26] time I got to see Hebron which became my [10:28] second favorite. I loved it. [10:30] >> Hebron is amaz [10:34] beautiful. Like to be at Marat the cave [10:37] of the patriarchs is [10:38] >> all of it. Yeah. I did a documentary [10:40] with the BBC years ago and there was a [10:43] guy who'd never been to Israel but was a [10:44] hardcore Zionist and Jerusalem got him. [10:46] He loved it. But for him, what just [10:48] turned him and it actually made him [10:50] religious was visiting the burial place [10:52] of the the the patriarchs in Hebrron. [10:55] There's something there. Yeah, [10:57] >> there there is. When I walked in, [11:00] it sounds cheesy, but the the just [11:02] feeling the air, it there's something [11:05] something there. Uh Heron is amazing. [11:08] the cave of the patriarchs. I saw some [11:09] of the oldest synagogues. There was one [11:11] synagogue that was like the Jordanians [11:13] turned into like a a goat's pen during [11:16] the time of the Jordanian control. Uh [11:18] and so they kind of like rebuilt it back [11:20] up, but it's a synagogue that dates back [11:23] very very long time. [11:24] >> And um no, it's it's incredible. Um this [11:28] is why I'm I'm always very very big with [11:30] Judea and Samaria. Even against some [11:32] Israelis, they're like, "Yeah, Nick, [11:33] don't you think it's worth it for [11:34] peace?" I'm like, [11:36] >> no, that [11:37] >> you can't cut the baby in half. [11:39] >> Is the the the the Israelis are moving [11:42] the other way. The majority now support [11:44] um Yehud Shamron because they recognize [11:46] that's what prevented an October the [11:48] 7th. October the 7th in Gaza. Gaza has a [11:51] small border with Israel. Jude Sam is [11:54] the entirety of Israel. The West Bank [11:56] envelope is Israel. It's Tel Aviv. It's [11:59] Jerusalem. It's everywhere. [12:02] Yeah, the I I have this video with a guy [12:05] named Maurice Hirsch. Um, very very [12:07] intelligent. Okay. He he did a video [12:10] talking about why it's so important to [12:12] keep Judea and Samaria and how 80% of [12:15] Israel's population is within the normal [12:19] distance that rockets are sent from [12:21] Gaza. Not even the long ones, just the [12:23] normal ones. And if imagine if they sent [12:26] those from if you became the state of [12:29] Palestine and you remove all the uh [12:31] Jewish people from Judea Samaria, give [12:33] them that state, the rockets could [12:36] easily hit 80% of the And it's not like [12:39] it's from Gaza where there's even a [12:41] little bit more time. It'd be like them [12:43] sending rockets like Gaza sending it to [12:45] um [12:46] >> toot. Yeah, exactly. And it's like [12:50] >> it's insane. But man, next time next [12:53] time I'm there, I promise you we're [12:54] gonna have more time than 30 seconds. [12:57] >> So, I have one question for you because [12:58] I I genuinely have a lot of respect for [13:01] for your knowledge of the conflict and [13:02] the way that you think. Where are you? [13:04] What's your position? Because I in terms [13:06] of long-term solution for the [13:10] populations that live here. Where where [13:12] are you standing now? Have your views [13:14] shifted? Are you I obviously know you're [13:17] not two state. And you're so yeah [13:19] >> I used to be when I when I first started [13:21] talking about Israel like five six years [13:23] ago uh I just thought that was the [13:26] answer. I was like yeah two state isn't [13:28] that the answer two solution now I will [13:30] say [13:30] >> makes sense [13:31] >> right and um I will say it wasn't [13:34] October 7th that shipped to me. A lot of [13:36] people became one state after October [13:38] 7th. I I stopped the two-state idea [13:40] before October 7th, but October 7th [13:42] definitely was like if there was any [13:44] nail sticking out like October 7th [13:46] hammered it down. Um, so is your [13:49] question like what do I think? [13:51] >> Yeah. What do you think is the ideal [13:52] solution for this? Like and realistic as [13:54] well, not like I can press a button and [13:56] everyone disappears and no one has any [13:58] like realistically what [14:01] >> in the eyes of the nations, in the eyes [14:03] of security, in the eyes of Yeah. [14:06] >> Rome wasn't built in the day. I believe [14:07] it takes a process, right? Obviously, [14:09] I'm pro I'm one state solution and I'm [14:11] also very big that it has to be a Jewish [14:13] state. That's kind of the whole point. [14:15] And so naturally, what's the topic that [14:17] comes up? Well, but Nick, if you just do [14:20] one state and you annex it, then now [14:22] there's about half Arabs, half Jews. How [14:23] do you how do you mix with that? Um, I'm [14:26] I mean, I don't know, man. I'm the I'm [14:27] the radical right-wing Zionist, so I [14:29] don't know if anyone's going to agree [14:30] with my opinion, but I believe what [14:32] Israel should do and what I support is a [14:35] continuation of following the Arabs on [14:37] how they act. I believe the Arabs have [14:39] to make their own choices. Okay? And [14:41] what I mean by that is they have three [14:42] choices. Okay? And what I call it is [14:45] live in peace. Um leave in peace or rest [14:47] in peace. I got this actually from my [14:48] friend Rabbi Lifin. Uh it's really smart [14:50] though and it it encompasses the same [14:52] idea that I have. So what that means is [14:54] and we represent it as Jordan, Gaza or [14:56] Nazareth. And those are representations [14:58] of how the Arabs choose. Nazareth [15:00] represents the Arabs who you know you [15:03] might not necessarily like Israel, but [15:05] you're not necessarily not that there [15:07] isn't anyone in Nazareth that doesn't [15:08] support terrorism, but bear with me for [15:10] the example. Those that are just they [15:12] either could be proud Arab-Israelis like [15:14] someone like Yosphad, or they can be [15:16] Arab Israelis that are like, look, it [15:18] exists. I'm an Israeli, you know, it is [15:20] what it is. Um, then there's the Jordan, [15:24] which those are the Arabs that [15:25] represent, I will never support Israel, [15:27] but I'm also I'm not trying to be in a [15:29] war. I'm not trying to fight. You can [15:30] leave. No, no, no hard feelings. There's [15:32] the door. And then there's the rest in [15:34] peace. Those are the ones that are like, [15:35] I resent Israel and I'm going to fight [15:37] against it or even support those and be [15:39] collaborators of terrorist [15:40] organizations. Uh, which I hate when [15:42] people just say Hamas, Hamas, Mas [15:44] because it's not just Hamas. There's PJ, [15:45] there's the DLP, there's the DFLP, [15:47] there's PRC, Army of Islam, which had [15:49] brigades, Lion's Den, and of course the [15:50] Palestinian Authority, which I [15:51] completely see as aiding in that [15:53] terrorism. Also, [15:55] >> if you're that, by all means, I I don't [15:57] really care what happens to you. You can [15:58] be under the rubble for all I care. If [15:59] you're a terrorist, [16:01] >> fine. [16:02] >> And so, for me, what I think now to go [16:04] back to Israel, that's the Arabs [16:05] choices. Israel should follow the Arabs [16:07] and what they go with. the more [16:08] terrorism and the more even support for [16:10] terrorism that happens increases [16:12] security, make their lives, you know, [16:14] harder and harder. How they decide to [16:16] react to that is on them. Increase [16:19] checkpoints, expand the settlements, and [16:22] I think we need to get to a point where [16:23] we as the world, not just pro-Israelis [16:26] and pro Palestinians, the whole world [16:27] needs to recognize that the status quo [16:29] isn't working. However, we also need to [16:32] understand that it's kind of a human [16:34] arrogance to believe that we have to [16:37] find a solution. This is what ends up [16:38] forcing bad ideologies, right? Which in [16:41] my opinion was Camp David even in 78. [16:43] Camp David of 2000 failed also accords [16:45] of 9395 failed. The Hebrron agreement in [16:49] some ways was good for the moment, but [16:51] still Hebrron is the oldest Jewish city [16:53] in the world. It's like insane that Jews [16:54] have to live in so much fear in Hebron. [16:57] Uh where was I going with this? Okay. [16:58] So, we don't need to find a solution [17:01] this very moment. It's just a it's just [17:03] an arrogance of the human race to [17:05] believe that we have to find a solution [17:06] and we can figure it out because what [17:08] ends up happening is people try to [17:10] satisfy both sides. And what you do what [17:13] happens when you try to satisfy both [17:14] sides, you you end up just pissing off [17:16] both sides. You never end up like this [17:18] is the problem with you know a lot of [17:19] Western leaders, even American leaders. [17:21] I'm an American, proud, I love my [17:23] country. But Western leaders can never [17:25] really even the good ones can never [17:27] comprehend or uh understand the Middle [17:30] Eastern mindset. Even the best of US [17:32] presidents, the ones that are the most [17:34] pro-Israel, even they they can't [17:36] comprehend that that that Middle Eastern [17:39] understanding. They they still try to [17:42] Americanize it or westernize it in the [17:44] sense that yeah, you know, you like the [17:47] best ones we'll attack, but then we'll [17:48] soon go to diplomacy. [17:50] So [17:52] trying to wrap this up as quick as I [17:53] can, but [17:55] what we need to understand is that you [17:57] need to start aiming towards the right [17:59] direction. The right direction is that [18:00] the status quo is not going to work [18:02] today and it's not going to work in 10 [18:04] years. It's not going to work in 50 [18:05] years. So which way do you head? Now me [18:08] is Nick Matau, I'm not Israeli, I'm not [18:09] Jewish, I'm not Arab, I'm not Muslim. I [18:12] see two sides in front of me, right? I'm [18:14] not trying to appease both sides. I see [18:16] the Jews, the Israelis, and then I see [18:19] the Arabs and the Palestinians. [18:22] I believe that we as the West and the [18:25] world, we need to sooner or later pick a [18:27] side and stick with it. For me, [18:29] obviously, it's Israel, right? It it's [18:31] it's it's a literal fight against good [18:32] and evil. That doesn't mean Israel is [18:34] perfect, but it's not evil. It's the [18:37] responder and this is the attacker. This [18:38] is the aggressor. This is the responder [18:39] and this is the good and this is the [18:41] bad. This is the light and this is the [18:42] dark. And we need to have a moral [18:44] compass as the West especially, but as [18:47] the whole world to understand that moral [18:49] compass. So let's start aiming towards [18:50] that direction. If the Arabs want to [18:53] figure it out along the way, Baruk [18:55] Hashem, that's awesome. That's amazing. [18:56] But if they don't, [18:58] so long, no problem. Leave you behind. [19:01] And so to answer the question after all [19:03] of that, yeah, I believe that Israel [19:04] should start aiming towards again, it [19:06] doesn't have to be all at once or snap [19:08] finger right now, but it need to start [19:09] aiming to not split the baby in half. We [19:12] learned this with Solomon, right? It [19:14] doesn't make sense. Connect the entire [19:17] thing. It is Jewish land. If there are [19:20] Arabs that figure it out on the way and [19:22] want to stop this ridiculous circle of [19:24] teaching their kids to do the same thing [19:26] that their parents did before them, [19:28] again, that's awesome. If they don't, so [19:30] what? You don't stop a project just [19:33] because there's problems on the way, [19:34] right? You move that problem out of the [19:36] way. Now, by any means, because some [19:38] people hear me say this and they're [19:38] like, "What do you mean like genocide?" [19:40] No, I'm not I'm not arguing for that. I [19:43] don't hate them. I don't think they [19:44] should just be killed simply because of [19:46] even of of course if they have that evil [19:48] ideology and they're terrorists, then [19:50] yes, absolutely. But I'm talking about [19:51] all of them. No, no, no. It's not what [19:52] I'm saying at all. Every 20th century [19:55] conflict, every single one, the reason [19:56] they didn't become permanent conflicts [19:58] was what? What did we do? We did what [20:00] people call ethnic cleansing. Ethnic [20:04] cleansing, a couple things. One, it's [20:06] not even illegal under international law [20:07] by itself. Now, certain actions that you [20:10] do to ethnically cleanse the people [20:11] absolutely can be illegal. And I'm not [20:12] advocating for that. I'm not advocating [20:14] for Israel to do anything evil or bad or [20:16] even against international law. [20:17] Although, I will admit international law [20:18] is something I don't particularly care [20:20] that much about. If I do care about it, [20:22] it's because it's common sense. Like, [20:23] don't genocide people. I am not against [20:25] genocide because international law says [20:27] so. It's just because it's wrong. But, [20:31] uh, sorry for the longwinded answer. I [20:32] just want to get it all out. So this is [20:35] how we solved all these conflicts to [20:36] make sure they were not permanent [20:38] conflicts. We did the same thing with [20:39] India, Pakistan. Now is there still some [20:40] conflict there? Yes, but it's not quite [20:42] the same. And there was definite ethnic [20:44] cleansing there. There's like a million [20:45] people that died. There was like 10 [20:46] million people that were displaced out [20:49] of uh the lands. But it didn't cause a [20:51] permanent conflict more or less. Like I [20:54] said, India Pakistan still has problems. [20:56] Um and so for me [20:59] it's about I I believe it's all Israel. [21:02] That doesn't mean Arabs can't live [21:03] there. What I don't want though is bad [21:06] ideologies that are trying to undermine [21:08] the state of Israel to live there. And [21:10] so for me, it's very clear. I think you [21:12] need to do voluntary migration. And the [21:15] way you increase that prior to October [21:17] 7, 30% of Gazins and around 20 to 25% of [21:21] those in Judea Samaria, Arabs wanted to [21:23] leave. That was before October 7th. [21:25] Obviously, it's significantly higher [21:26] now. Open the border, right? Let them [21:28] let them uh let them go into Egypt. let [21:31] them go to Jordan. Again, I'm not [21:32] advocating for anything evil. I'm not [21:34] advocating for anything illegal, but [21:36] there's many that even if it means [21:38] paying them, which is totally fine, [21:41] there's many that do want to leave. So, [21:42] you keep the Jewish state, you keep the [21:44] majority Jewish, and you connect the [21:46] entire land instead of splitting the [21:48] baby. [21:49] >> So, I think we're aligned on a lot of [21:51] that. I guess a question on the the [21:54] obviously the voluntary migration is an [21:56] obvious thing. It's like inhuman that [21:59] westerners and the the Muslims around [22:03] the world [22:04] >> lock these people in and say you cannot [22:06] leave because I believe in your [22:08] political cause. So you have no [22:10] >> right determine your future for [22:12] yourself. It's all down to me because I [22:15] believe in your cause and I believe you [22:17] should be there. And I say and it's [22:18] insane like our most evil politicians [22:20] evil in air quotes. So someone like [22:22] Bengavir who I have no track with. He's [22:23] not he's not I'm not Otsma. I'm not in [22:26] that camp like [22:27] >> yeah I'm not Ben in many ways like it's [22:30] like we want voluntary migration for and [22:33] we should encourage it. Okay. Like [22:36] >> that's not as evil as what they're [22:37] saying on the other side. They're saying [22:38] literally the moderates on the other [22:40] side are saying the Jews should go back [22:41] to Europe like not voluntarily. They [22:44] should be pushed out. Um [22:46] >> so yeah I agree and you're 100% correct. [22:49] The problem wouldn't be with the Jews or [22:51] even the local Arabs. The problem is [22:53] with the the so-called allies, the [22:57] westerners that won't allow Israel to do [22:59] something like that. It's funny, we we [23:00] allow for displacement of people in [23:02] Ukraine. We allow for displacement of [23:04] people in just about any other conflict. [23:06] But you're right, when it comes to the [23:08] Palestinians, they actually shut the [23:10] door, build seven layers of borders, and [23:12] say, "No, no, no, stay in there. We need [23:14] you to stay in there." Even when a lot [23:16] of the Gazins are like, "Please let us [23:17] out." There was an article that just [23:18] came out a few days ago where Gazins are [23:21] literally saying, "Why is the Arab world [23:23] not helping us? Why are they not opening [23:24] the borders?" And you're right. And so [23:26] the world needs to catch up. So what [23:27] Israel needs to do is Israel needs to [23:29] continue to do what Israel does very [23:30] well. 6% of their GDP is in uh R&D. One [23:34] of the highest, if not the highest in [23:35] the world percentage- wise, continue to [23:38] advance and do exactly what we know [23:40] Israel can do. That's also why I'm I [23:42] want to pull away from the 3.8 billion a [23:44] year. I want to open the markets in [23:46] Israel. have America start investing in [23:48] Israel and vice versa and be more of a [23:50] partnership instead of this kind of like [23:52] carrot with a stick, you know, like, [23:53] hey, don't go into Rafa, you don't get [23:55] this Israel is a sovereign [23:57] nation, right? We should pull out of [23:59] that and we should shift to allow Israel [24:02] to open up the markets, not be dependent [24:03] off of anything because we know Israel [24:05] can create for the size of the country. [24:07] Israel creates things that the rest of [24:09] the world doesn't. This is a fact. [24:11] Nobody can the economy at the moment is [24:13] 5.6 predicted 5.6% 6% growth. Um, [24:17] Europe, the UK are they're delighted at [24:19] the moment. The UK has got, guys, we're [24:21] on for 1% growth at the moment. We're [24:23] predicted 7.5% next year. [24:26] >> Like the Israeli economy is phenomenal. [24:28] The Israeli innovation, creativity is [24:31] phenomenal. And I I I completely agree [24:33] >> 100%. Increase that. Keep going. Do more [24:36] of it for Israel. Uh, Israel needs to do [24:38] this because what happens is you start [24:40] to become instead of what people say is [24:43] dependent, they start to depend on you. [24:45] And we already see this a little bit. [24:46] Look at Spain. Spain early on in the [24:48] war, they pulled all their funding from [24:50] Israel because they're like, "Ah, you're [24:52] doing a genocide." What happened after a [24:54] month or two? They secretly started [24:56] spending back into Israel because they [24:58] they needed stuff from Israel that they [25:00] could only get from Israel. Do more of [25:01] that. Then you can start to convince the [25:04] Western countries and the Arab [25:05] countries. The Middle East is not split [25:06] between those that are for Israel and [25:08] those that are against Israel. It's [25:09] actually right now split between those [25:10] that are with IRGC and those that are [25:12] not. Now, the other Arab countries, [25:14] especially the ones that are not with [25:15] the IRGC, Saudi Arabia, you know, etc., [25:19] they may not want the Palestinians to [25:21] leave, but they're not as convicted as [25:24] people that are more aligned with the [25:25] IRGC and their proxies. [25:27] And so, if you tell them, look, we know [25:29] you don't want this. However, [25:31] we can convince you, especially when [25:34] they become more dependent off of [25:35] countries like Israel and in the West, [25:37] you can start to convince that it's the [25:39] lesser of two evils if you take these [25:40] people in and we'll pay you. And I think [25:42] Israel should pay whatever the amount [25:44] needs to be because this can end a [25:46] long-term a permanent conflict. But if [25:49] you can convince them that you may not [25:51] like it, but this is why it's better [25:52] than having another IRGC terror regime [25:56] uh proxy in the Middle East. It's better [25:58] for the economy. It's better for the [26:00] lives of your people. It's better for [26:01] your country. And of course, sure, it's [26:03] also better for Israel. But put that [26:05] aside. In time, I'm not saying I'm [26:08] right. I'm just saying I hope in time [26:10] you might convince them, you know what? [26:12] It's time we we we cut this tie. It it's [26:16] time because Israel, the peace is not [26:18] through the Palestinians. Peace is [26:20] around the Palestinians, right? They [26:21] didn't make peace with Jordan. They got [26:23] kicked out. They didn't make peace with [26:24] Lebanon. The insurgency in Lebanon or [26:26] they slaughtered a bunch of Christians [26:27] and 20-year civil war was started [26:29] because of that. Killed like over [26:31] 200,000 civilians. Kuwait, Kuwait kicked [26:33] out a lot of the Palestinians because of [26:35] they signed with Saddam Hussein. Same [26:37] thing with Egypt. They attempted to [26:39] assassinate the third Egyptian [26:40] president, right? But Israel made peace [26:43] with people who everyone that's [26:44] listening to my plan right now is [26:45] saying, "Nick, that's impossible. It [26:47] never happened." I bet you if you told [26:48] the Israelis back in 1960s, 19 early [26:51] 1970s that you're going to make peace [26:53] with Egypt, I bet you they probably also [26:55] thought, "No, that'll never happen. [26:57] Egypt was the big power against Israel [27:00] back in the day." And look at Camp David [27:02] comes around. They made peace with [27:03] Egypt. Cold, but still peace [27:05] nonetheless. And so if Israel can make [27:07] peace with all these countries are [27:08] starting to see Saudi Arabia possibly [27:10] maybe start to normalize some ties. [27:11] There's already secret ties with Israel [27:13] and Saudi Arabia. If anyone doesn't [27:15] know, they already actually share intel. [27:17] They don't admit it, but they do. [27:19] Indonesia, the biggest Muslim country in [27:20] the world, is starting to do business [27:21] relations with Israel. Jordan, Egypt, [27:24] Lebanon. Now, if you isolate the [27:27] Palestinians, [27:29] they will feel weakened. Their fervor [27:31] and their hope will get crushed, which [27:33] is what you should do. It might sound [27:35] harsh, but it's true. Palestinianism [27:37] exists solely to fight against the [27:40] Jewish state. If you crush that hope, [27:42] the doors start to open for more [27:43] possibility. [27:44] >> So, I couldn't agree. So, my my big [27:46] objective at the moment is [27:47] Palestinianism, as you as you rightly [27:49] touched on, because our ideologies [27:50] cannot coexist. You will never find a [27:53] Palestinian that depicts Palestine as [27:56] the West Bank and Gaza. It's always your [27:58] necklace from the river to the sea. And [28:01] in 19 states, just to to really hammer [28:04] this, you know this, Nick, and I'm [28:05] probably most my audience knows this, [28:06] but in the 90 1964 Palestinian Charter, [28:10] the PLO, they explicitly state they have [28:13] no claim, territorial claim to the West [28:15] Bank and Gaza. Why? Because they're [28:18] there to defeat Israel. And Jordan was [28:20] in the West Bank or Judea and Samaria [28:22] >> as it was referenced in resolution 181. [28:24] And Gaza is [28:27] Egypt in ' 64. And so it was only when [28:31] Israel um defeated the Jordanians and [28:34] Egyptians and pushed them out of the [28:36] Holy Land [28:37] >> that the they updated their chart to say [28:39] actually we're being Palestinian from [28:41] the river in the sea now. It's wherever [28:42] Israel is. And so there will never be [28:45] coexistence. There will never be peace [28:46] as long as there is Palestinianism. [28:48] >> And so it's just what is the best way to [28:50] dismantle it? [28:52] >> Is it militarily? Is it economically? [28:54] And it's just a question of strategy. [28:56] And the simplest the simplest thing to [28:59] do to begin that process is in my mind [29:02] area C. In area C, almost every conflict [29:05] you see is over pastoral grazing rights. [29:10] It's like wild when you're out here and [29:11] whether you're at the on the farms or [29:13] with the Bedwin or with the Palestinian, [29:15] the Arabs, it's it's just who can graze [29:19] on which hill, who can build a structure [29:21] on which hillside. This is all area you [29:23] see. And Israel, as you well know, um, [29:26] and I'm sure the audience knows, Israel [29:28] is in charge of what could be built [29:29] there. We've allowed them to build over [29:30] 100,000 structures illegally. And the [29:34] best thing Israel could do is assert [29:36] sovereignty over area C, give everyone a [29:39] pathway to citizenship there, provided [29:42] they renounce Palestinianism publicly, [29:44] they enroll from UNRA. If they're Bedwin [29:46] who have no permanent residence, look to [29:49] what was done in the NGV or somewhere [29:50] like that where you're providing [29:51] housing. So because the the Bedwin have [29:55] often been put into the most [29:56] strategically important places. So the [30:00] E1 block is all over the news at the [30:02] moment. There's a handful of Bedwin that [30:04] live there that were moved there by the [30:05] PA decades ago precisely to prevent the [30:09] construction of anything there by [30:11] Israel. But it's just barren wasteland. [30:13] It's desert land. I took a British [30:15] journalist there the other day. He could [30:16] not believe that it was just stones and [30:20] sand that the British government is like [30:22] literally risking every like the the [30:25] relationship of the UK and Israel has [30:27] not been worse since probably the 40s [30:30] probably. It's it's at rock bottom. I [30:32] mean they had a pog run in the 40s in [30:34] the UK in Hendon where I used to live [30:36] and it's not been that bad since then. [30:38] And a lot of it is to do with E1 and the [30:40] so-called settler violence. They they'll [30:42] call there actually sorry they call it [30:43] settler terrorism. They don't call Hamas [30:45] terrorists, but the guy who's hering his [30:48] um goat through an olive orch, [30:51] >> he's the terrorist now. Hamas crazy. [30:53] >> Did you Did you know that about 20% [30:56] almost 20% of what they call settler [30:58] violence according to uh Ocha's study [31:02] 20% is just Jews praying on the Temple [31:04] Mount. Did you know that? [31:05] >> So it was 16%. So obviously updated the [31:09] states. They've obviously updated the [31:11] No, because that was that was from 2023 [31:14] to I forgotten maybe 2017 or maybe [31:17] right. Yeah. [31:17] >> But they did update them because I was [31:19] with Naomi the other day and she said [31:20] they had new ones. So you're probably s [31:22] just citing newer stats than I am. And [31:25] 19% then was trespassing. So if I'm [31:28] walking my dog and it runs off not that [31:29] I have a dog cuz I'm I'm Muslim and [31:34] Subhan Allah. [31:38] I'm walking my my dog and it runs off [31:39] the lead into an olive grove and I chase [31:42] after it. I've just committed settle of [31:44] violence. It's like [31:45] >> island. Yeah. [31:46] >> Terrorism. Settler terrorism. Sorry. Um [31:48] walking my dog in the wrong place. It's [31:50] it's so yeah, I think that's the easiest [31:52] thing for Israel to do. There's no [31:54] demographic threat. It's the majority of [31:56] the conflict. It's the majority of the [31:58] territory. And then you can phase [32:00] towards what you're saying. I love the [32:01] way you phrase that. Um, rest. I'm going [32:04] to have to memorize it, but rest in [32:06] peace. It was um a very [32:07] >> rest in peace. Live in peace. Live in [32:08] peace or leave in peace. Yeah. [32:10] >> Yeah. And so, you know, um I think it's [32:14] refreshing. I thought we would be quite [32:16] aligned, but we're more aligned than [32:17] that. I think you're a little more to [32:18] the right than me, but I'd expect that [32:19] I'm I was born in Britain, you were born [32:21] in America. [32:22] >> Yeah. I think uh I think at this point I [32:26] I get that a lot even with other [32:27] creators like, "All right, Nick, I like [32:29] you. you're you're a little rightwing, [32:30] but listen, I'm always open to ideas. I [32:33] don't I don't think that I'm [32:34] automatically right. I just this is my [32:36] position right now. I think that Israel [32:38] needs to increase uh other people's [32:41] dependence on them [32:42] >> in a natural very smart way that we [32:44] know. Listen, the reason I like have a [32:46] problem with certain people who are also [32:48] right-wing Zionist that I probably you'd [32:50] think I'd agree with is because [32:54] Israel, specifically the Jews, the best [32:57] weapon they have against uh the uh Arab [33:02] settlers and violence and terrorists, is [33:04] being smarter. [33:06] And there are some that are so caught up [33:09] in being so right-wing and they have to [33:11] prove how much more right-wing they are. [33:12] They say dumb things. Even if they say [33:15] something that it's not even I [33:16] necessarily disagree with, maybe I do, [33:18] maybe I don't. Maybe it's somewhere in [33:19] between. [33:20] >> They say it at dumb timing and they say [33:22] it in a dumb way. And it's like don't [33:24] don't do that. Right? And some people [33:26] will defend it that are Zionist like no [33:28] but it's the truth. But that the the [33:30] thing we have on our side that they [33:32] don't have right on the prop pali side [33:35] is intelligence. Be smart right and so I [33:38] think the smart thing is to start doing [33:41] now what you want to see in the future [33:43] right increase people's dependence on [33:45] you through ways that are very [33:47] intelligent and innovative. Start [33:50] working in a smart way. Doesn't mean [33:52] because some people are like no just [33:53] annex it all right now. Who cares what [33:54] the world thinks? Well that's not smart [33:56] right? I hate it too. I hate that we [33:59] have some very left-wing leaders in in [34:01] in especially Europe, but just in the [34:04] West in general. It's frustrating, but [34:06] you do have to navigate around that. It [34:08] sucks. It doesn't mean I agree with it, [34:09] but you do. You have to navigate around [34:11] it. And so, I think it's about aiming in [34:14] the right direction and not solving it [34:16] tomorrow. [34:17] >> I completely agree. And I think one of [34:19] the that this is one of the thing that [34:21] many Israelis are so disconnected from [34:24] because they don't speak English or they [34:26] have very bad English and they're in a [34:27] Hebrew world [34:28] >> and they have [34:30] >> Yeah. Yeah. And they're they're right [34:32] because every Israel is always right. Um [34:35] and [34:37] >> they [34:39] they speak in language which is for [34:41] instance you describe the transfer or [34:42] the displacement of 10 million people [34:44] between Pakistan and India in 1947. That [34:48] was the last transfer of a population of [34:51] millions of people in in in certainly in [34:55] modern history. Well, in history it was [34:57] obviously the most recent and [35:01] the world has changed a lot in nearly 80 [35:04] years. The world has moved a lot and [35:08] that to displace 100,000 people. Okay, [35:11] it's 100,000 people to physically [35:14] displace the transfer out to Jordan or [35:16] to Egypt or whatever the right-wing [35:18] talking point may be um 2 million [35:21] people, 4 million people is going to [35:25] provoke an economic and in terms of arms [35:29] rearming Israel reaction that would [35:31] leave Israel so isolated and vulnerable [35:34] we might not recover. And that's why [35:35] when you say voluntary is is the the [35:38] key. If someone wants to leave, it's [35:40] like inhuman to lock the door. But if [35:44] you push them out the door, it changes [35:47] everything. And so, [35:48] >> and it can't be all at once either [35:50] because even if it's voluntary [35:51] immigration, but it's literally all at [35:53] once, let's say in a month, then the [35:55] world will still see it the same way. [35:58] But you're 100% correct. [36:00] >> And so, no, it's um it's an honor to to [36:02] see you um in Pix. By the way, guys, [36:05] he's much he's much better in real life. [36:08] And the pixelated version's good. The [36:10] real life version. The 4K version is [36:12] better [36:14] than [36:15] >> No, it's an honor to see you. I I love [36:17] what you're doing. I I wish I knew as [36:19] much Arabic as you. I love when you [36:21] speak Arabic. [36:22] >> No, I mean, it Yeah, it is completely [36:25] completely reciprocal. Completely I [36:27] learned so much from you. I've got [36:28] talking points from you and so I I owe [36:31] you a thank you. I've got some talking [36:33] points just now. I've got a new buzz [36:34] phrase you're going to hear, guys. Rest [36:36] in peace. Leave in peace. Like, you're [36:37] going to hear it. It's [36:41] >> all right, brother. Next time. I'll see [36:44] you. God bless you. I nearly said [36:46] inshah, but for you it's a [36:48] good [36:51] >> love you, brother. [36:53] >> The legend himself, guys. Um, I got I [36:57] cannot tell you how much respect I have [36:59] for Nick. He his growth curve is unlike [37:03] anything I've seen. And it's what you [37:06] guys don't It's easy to get a lot of [37:08] views on YouTube. All you need to do is [37:10] reaction videos and you react to Ben [37:13] Shapiro. And Ben Shapiro is incredible. [37:17] He's refined the art of keeping people [37:20] interested, speaking truth, and just [37:24] retaining an audience. He's refined that [37:27] for decades now. like from the days of [37:29] Ben Shapiro owns a liberal. So you react [37:31] to Ben Shapiro, you get all his [37:33] audience. It's very easy to get hundreds [37:36] of thousands, millions of views on a [37:37] video if you just do reactions. To do [37:39] what Nick has done, to go out there and [37:43] fight for truth and fight for Israel and [37:48] have the growth that he's experienced [37:51] based nothing other based on nothing [37:53] other than his talent, his knowledge, [37:55] his commitment, his brilliance is is [37:59] commendable. So now obviously I've [38:02] already subscribed to Nick, but if [38:04] you're not, head over and subscribe. [38:06] You'll learn a lot. He deserves all the [38:08] success he's getting. He's a mench. He's [38:11] a genius. He's got incredible recall of [38:15] the facts. I've watched hours and hours [38:17] and hours of videos and I found one [38:20] mistake that he made once and then it [38:23] turned out he was actually wrong. I got [38:26] it wrong. like he's he's a he's a [38:29] walking encyclopedia. Um God bless [38:32] Hashem. Um God watch over him. I'm not [38:36] equally talented. I I'm talented in a [38:38] different way, but tremendous respect [38:41] for
