Transcript [00:00] How are we going to establish peace if [00:02] we cannot have even an agreement upon [00:05] what truth should mean? What truth [00:07] should mean? [00:08] >> Ah, that's a good question. [00:10] That's a good question. Okay, you've [00:12] summed it up well. How are we going to [00:14] establish peace [00:16] if we can't uh come together on the same [00:18] idea of truth? A peace for Israel is [00:21] different than what a peace for [00:22] Palestine is. Peace for the Arabs is [00:24] different for what a peace for the [00:25] Israelites is. Peace for the Muslims is [00:28] different what a peace for the Jews is [00:29] like. [00:31] Hi. [00:32] >> Oh, hello. [00:33] >> Oh. [00:37] It's rare we get to actually see [00:38] someone. [00:39] >> Good night. [00:41] >> Can't hear you. I think your microphone [00:42] is being covered. [00:49] >> Can you hear me now? [00:51] >> Yes. [00:52] >> Do you hear me? [00:54] >> Yes. [00:56] >> Perfect. First of all, I'm very happy to [00:59] be here, to see you, and to talk to you. [01:03] I want to ask you what does your [01:07] way to establish common ground meaning [01:10] to you before I ask you [01:13] the questions I would love to ask, to [01:16] hear your insights. [01:19] >> Um I don't know. I'm going to be [01:21] completely honest with you. I don't know [01:22] if that's ever [01:25] a thing that I try to do is to establish [01:27] common ground [01:29] cuz most of the times I'm debating [01:30] people who really don't want to [01:33] have any common ground. [01:35] So, I'm usually it it it really depends. [01:37] I don't really have a way to establish [01:39] common ground. Is there common ground [01:40] you want to establish [01:42] with me? [01:46] >> Yes. Yes. [01:48] >> Okay. [01:48] >> Yes. I want to My entire intention is [01:51] rooted in one thing. I want to you I [01:53] want you [01:55] to eventually understand you are [01:56] everything and everyone. You are who you [01:59] try to look maybe down to and up to. [02:03] You're the most powerful brain ever [02:07] existed. You're the aware that was [02:10] uncreated and that sustains through life [02:12] form and only you can establish peace. [02:17] But in order to establish that, I need [02:19] to understand what is your way to [02:23] validate information. How do you [02:25] validate it currently? How do you [02:27] establish what is more truthful versus [02:30] what is less truthful? So that we can [02:32] establish that common ground. [02:36] >> I I don't have a solid way solid [02:38] apparatus cuz everybody [02:41] um chooses different sources in the [02:43] world we live in today doesn't doesn't [02:45] have a common truth. So how about you [02:46] begin with instead of us trying to [02:48] establish a [02:49] you know, a common truth or where we see [02:51] just state your position or what you'd [02:54] like to debate or talk about and we can [02:55] go from there. [02:56] >> he's here to debate. I think he wants to [02:58] create world peace. [02:59] >> Perfect. [03:00] >> That's okay. I'd love to hear I want to [03:01] hear you out. I'm not going to give you [03:02] a lot of time if that's what you're [03:03] trying to do, but [03:05] I want to hear what you have to say. [03:06] Like what's what is your point? [03:11] >> So my point is as long as we are placing [03:15] anything over causal truth, cause and [03:18] effect consistent pattern matching, [03:20] then at one moment of time, we will have [03:24] to devalue [03:27] a truthful statement coming from someone [03:30] that opposes what we are trying to [03:32] protect. Is it money? Is it religion? Is [03:35] it hierarchy? Is it parents? Is it [03:39] family? Is it culture? [03:41] At that moment, they will only feel one [03:43] thing. They are not enough. [03:46] They have to [03:47] be submissive submissive to you. And now [03:52] what will happen? They will go their [03:54] way. We are [04:00] >> [laughter] [04:00] >> Thank you so much. [04:02] >> to sustain ourselves. [04:03] >> Hey, brother brother, I'm sorry. 1 [04:05] second. [04:07] I want to give you one more [04:09] chance just to Could you maybe wrap up [04:12] your point into like one sentence we [04:14] could actually discuss? Is there [04:16] something specific or are you speaking [04:17] only in broad terms? [04:20] >> No, the question is [04:23] how are we going to establish peace if [04:26] we cannot have even an agreement upon [04:29] what truth should be, what truth should [04:31] mean? [04:32] >> Ah, that's a good question. [04:34] That's a good question. Okay, you've [04:36] summed it up well. How are we going to [04:37] establish peace [04:40] if we can't uh come together on the same [04:42] idea of truth? [04:44] Uh the the question itself is a fallacy. [04:47] One, because peace is subjective. [04:50] Uh there isn't a universal truth for [04:52] peace. [04:53] And then universal truth is also [04:54] subjective because there isn't a [04:55] universal truth for all of mankind and [04:57] especially not for multiple cultures. [05:00] Um I think peace looks different for [05:02] each culture that we're discussing, [05:04] especially as it pertains to the Middle [05:06] East. A peace for Israel is different [05:08] than what a peace for Palestine is. [05:10] Peace for the Arabs is different for [05:12] what a peace for the Israelites is. [05:14] Peace for the Muslims is different what [05:15] a peace for the Jews is like. And vice [05:17] versa for the Christians and the [05:19] Mandaeans and Amazigh and all the [05:21] Yazidis, every other um [05:24] culture in this region all have their [05:26] own idea of what peace is and what [05:28] universal truth is. [05:30] I think we as peoples of the region, I'm [05:32] assuming you're a Middle Easterner, you [05:33] look like a Middle Easterner. Um I [05:37] I think the peoples of the Middle East [05:39] need to decipher maybe what is the [05:41] lesser of two evils, what is maybe [05:44] accept the reality that [05:46] a true peace as we see it in a western [05:49] democratic way will never exist here, [05:52] never manifest in the way that it does [05:54] for example in [05:56] Sweden or Denmark or Norway. And if we [06:00] want a peace like that, we should go and [06:03] emigrate to places like that if our [06:04] character allows us to. And that our [06:07] region [06:08] can try to establish peace based on the [06:11] universal truths that we agree as people [06:14] of the Middle East are the ones that [06:15] make the most sense. So I think all of [06:18] us in the Middle East can agree that an [06:19] Islamic version of peace [06:21] doesn't make sense for most of us, not [06:24] for Muslims, not for Christians, not for [06:26] Jews, not for ethnic minorities. Doesn't [06:28] make sense, it hasn't made sense. It [06:30] makes sense predominantly for Sunni [06:31] Muslims, specifically for Sunni Muslim [06:33] men. [06:35] And we think a Shia [06:38] idea of peace doesn't make sense for [06:40] most of us. [06:41] And so then we can look at the [06:44] the options provided that are in between [06:46] those seams and try to choose one that [06:48] makes sense amongst the bunch of options [06:51] that we have. And then hope to establish [06:53] something on a framework [06:55] that is inspired by those ideas. And it [06:57] doesn't have to be [06:59] necessarily a Jewish [07:01] vision of peace or a Christian vision of [07:03] peace. Maybe a conglomerate of all of [07:05] them together. But something for sure [07:07] that isn't the status quo because right [07:09] now it's not working. [07:13] >> Because now when I see [07:15] how [07:16] truth has been established, I see that [07:18] the religion said so, but the doctrine [07:21] said so. Even when common change stands [07:24] against it. And so I understand many [07:27] people have different views of peace. [07:29] Islam, for example, the version of peace [07:31] that Islam sees is very simple. You obey [07:34] to all rules and that's it. There is no [07:37] negotiation. [07:38] But I see that this This only with [07:40] Islam. [07:42] This is actually with every religion [07:45] to date. Till we realize what if God [07:48] [clears throat] never existed. [07:49] >> Give me another example of a religion or [07:51] that's Give me another example of a [07:53] religion that implements it in the same [07:55] way Islam does. [07:57] >> So as of today, all of religions says [08:01] God has his values and if you don't obey [08:04] to it, he punishes you. [08:05] >> No, but where is it implemented or is it [08:07] implemented in the way that it is under [08:09] Islam? [08:12] >> Islam is of course the strongest one. [08:14] The rest has to be today not been [08:16] established on the same way of Islam. [08:19] Islam is very strict. The countries are [08:21] the laws of the religion. [08:24] I know that Israel is different. Israel [08:26] has a different ruling system. [08:29] But I don't know how much will Israel be [08:32] willing to accept cause and effect over [08:35] everything else? [08:38] Over everything. [clears throat] Where [08:39] it says we adjust ourself. If you [08:42] present a more casual truth that will [08:45] elevate all of us in the best way [08:46] possible, I accept it. [08:49] >> Have Israelis not Have Israelis not [08:51] precisely done exactly that? [08:54] Has Israel not done exactly that to a T? [08:57] Israel has removed most of the militant [09:00] aspect of its [09:01] way of life. I would say pretty much [09:03] completely where we are considered so [09:06] much so as a secular state both by [09:09] Europe and the Eastern world. [09:11] Israel almost has zero semblance of its [09:13] ancient Israelite cultural heritage [09:15] embedded into its state today. It's [09:17] elevated itself almost exactly to a T [09:20] per the way of life [09:23] uh [09:24] deemed [09:25] um [09:26] uh pluralistic and the one of the future [09:30] as per like European standards. [09:32] Economically, [09:34] sociologically, it has it has [09:36] implemented all of those. I think Israel [09:38] has changed itself, adjusted itself [09:40] completely to fit into a world dominated [09:42] by those ideals and has gotten spit in [09:45] the face for it. I think for most [09:46] Israelis, a lot of Israelis have woken [09:48] up recently too to say, "Hey, maybe this [09:50] wasn't the right direction to go into [09:52] because we followed all the rules they [09:53] told us would get us into the coolest [09:56] kids club of universal truth and [09:58] acceptance and love and we're getting [10:00] on nonetheless." [10:02] So, I don't I don't know if [10:04] I don't know if Israel wouldn't be [10:06] willing. I think Israel was willing and [10:08] did. I think now you're going to see an [10:09] Israel in the future that might change a [10:11] little bit per that. Might be a little [10:13] bit tougher and rougher around the [10:14] edges. But listen, it's very interesting [10:16] conversation. [10:17] >> Just one point. [10:18] >> Yes. [10:19] >> With Israel, I agree. Israel has done [10:22] You know, like look, I will say what I [10:24] admire on Israel. [10:26] There is no other religion country on [10:28] planet Earth has one nation, one [10:31] country. [10:32] There are 156 [10:35] Christian dominant countries. [10:37] There is 57 [10:40] Muslim dominant countries and there is [10:43] one Jewish country. So, I look very I I [10:47] I see the vision of Israel that they are [10:50] allowing everyone to be part of it, but [10:52] they need to be sincere. [10:54] They don't look to skin color. They keep [10:58] They are very logical, the most logical [11:00] people on planet Earth [11:02] currently is Jewish people. [11:04] So, they understand the importance of [11:07] logic. [11:09] And they are the only ones that claiming [11:11] there should be no one having land. Land [11:14] should belong to all. [11:16] But of course, [11:18] the starting point of [11:20] Israel, I love it. [11:22] The question is how deep are they still [11:25] inside of what ahad means because ahad [11:30] is the same meaning what ahad meant in [11:32] Arabic in Islam. But no Muslim today [11:36] accept the meaning of ahad. They say [11:38] ahad means say God is one. While at-shad [11:42] the original meaning was say that [11:45] everything is one. Meaning I am you, you [11:49] are me, there was never separation. So [11:52] let us unite in the most causal chain. [11:56] But those of today, trinity, at-shad, [11:59] and tawhid no one I don't see people [12:03] truly understanding what it meant. [12:06] Trinity meant I am you, you are me, [12:09] everything is you. John 14:20. On that [12:12] day you will know that I am in the [12:13] Father and I am in you and the Father is [12:15] in me and I am in you and you are in me. [12:17] No Christian accept that because it's [12:19] unity. That means you are equal to me, I [12:22] am equal to you. At-shad meant the exact [12:25] same meaning. Everything was derived [12:27] from exactly that understanding. [12:30] It was said in the same scriptures. [12:33] Wasn't it written in your own scriptures [12:35] you are all gods? John 10:34. [12:38] Explaining Jesus was trying to express [12:41] what at-shad meant. Islam is built upon [12:44] the exact same foundation. Say that [12:46] everything is one. There was no [12:48] separation. The father of the prophet [12:51] was was called Abdullah, servant of [12:53] Allah. But the wrong Allah. A divide and [12:56] conquer back then separate from us a [12:59] lie. He tried to bring us [13:01] >> our our one soul, my brother. I'm so [13:03] sorry to interrupt, but I think we need [13:05] to move on to the next guest. But thank [13:07] you so so much for coming. You're [13:08] amazing. [13:09] >> I followed you. I followed you. Is it I [13:11] can see Listen, and I'm not trying to [13:14] offend the audience right now. This [13:15] conversation is not for everyone. I'm [13:18] interested in it. I also recognize we [13:19] have to keep the show going. We'll be in [13:22] touch. We'll I definitely want to pick [13:23] up this conversation with you. It's an [13:24] interesting conversation. It really is. [13:26] See you, brother. Be God bless you. [13:28] >> You're amazing. You're wonderful. [13:30] >> Love you, man. [13:33] See you brother. [13:34] Bye-bye, man. That was is awesome guy. I [13:36] get it. You Not all of you guys are that [13:38] intricate. You know what I'm saying? Not [13:39] all of you guys are that bright. [13:42] All right, let's do [13:43] >> it's it's a great conversation, but with [13:44] the with the show going it's just a [13:46] little Yeah, but thank you so much.
