Transcript [00:00] Oh [laughter] [00:02] >> this guy, bro. No way. [00:04] >> This guy. Let's talk. Let's talk. It [00:06] says you like Israel. Why? Why do you [00:07] like Israel, bro? [00:09] >> I don't. [00:10] >> Oh, but it says that you do. Are you [00:12] just liking? Okay, that's fine. [00:15] >> What? What's [00:17] >> interesting? It says we both like [00:18] Israel. I mean, I like Israel, so I [00:20] assumed you did cuz that's what the [00:21] computer [00:21] >> Oh, there's no like dislike section. So, [00:23] you know. [00:24] >> Ah, why don't you like Israel? Why do [00:26] you dislike Israel? I mean, if you, you [00:28] know, open your eyes a little bit and [00:31] look around. [00:32] >> I mean, I do. I walk around. I look [00:34] around. I speak to people. I live here. [00:36] >> Have you been Google Earth recently? [00:38] >> Yes, I have been to Google Earth. I've [00:40] actually [00:42] >> What did you see? [00:44] >> What did I see? I saw a war zone. I'm [00:47] assuming you're talking about Rafa and [00:48] places like that. Is that that what [00:49] you're talking about? [00:50] >> Rafa. [00:51] >> Yeah. [00:52] >> Rafa. [00:53] >> Rafa. Rafa. [00:54] >> Rafa. No, I was talking about Gaza. Rafa [00:56] is a place. Maybe it's in [00:59] >> Rafa is a place in Gaza. It's one of the [01:01] biggest cities. [01:02] >> So you did look at Gaza. [01:04] >> What did you feel? What did you feel [01:05] when you when you saw it? [01:08] >> I was grateful that I live in a nation [01:10] that made sure that they evacuated 1.6 [01:13] million people from Gaza from Rafa, [01:15] sorry. Before going to war with Hamas [01:17] there, [01:19] >> the [laughter] preserving hundreds of [01:20] thousands, if not millions of lives. [01:22] Here's my question. You're saying the [01:23] destruction. That's what you're edit. [01:25] saying, "Look, all these destroyed [01:26] buildings bad." Yeah, that's your [01:28] argument. [01:29] >> Yeah. And um Israeli settlers. [01:31] >> So, so but we can get the settlers in a [01:33] minute, but before you run, I want to do [01:34] the GA thing first. [01:37] >> Good. Good. Cuz you guys, not you. I [01:39] don't I've never met you before. But [01:41] most anti-ionists when I speak to them, [01:43] they start cursing when they lose the [01:45] debate and run away. I'm pleased we've [01:46] got someone that [01:48] >> It's the same with your side as well, [01:49] man. I've exper So, so maybe it will be [01:52] me that does the running. Maybe I will [01:53] run away. I'll get I'll get educated so [01:56] so badly. Exactly. So Rafa had 1.6 [02:01] million people in. [02:02] >> Mhm. [02:02] >> Basically the city is no more. The city [02:05] has been reduced to rubble because Hamas [02:07] had turned it into a military base [02:08] effectively. Um you you you raise your [02:11] eyebrows but Hamas don't have any [02:13] military bases. Their bases are under [02:15] hospitals. Their bases are under [02:16] schools. Their bases [02:17] >> I mean you're laughing. You can [02:18] literally watch videos of this but um [02:20] they're in mosques. So I can show you. [02:22] Go to naza documentary.com in your own [02:24] time. You can look at training camps [02:25] inside mosques. Um, but beyond that, [02:30] >> the UN [clears throat] estimates that 70 [02:32] to 80% of the buildings have been [02:33] damaged or destroyed. That's what you're [02:35] referencing. You're talking about that [02:36] destruction. [02:37] >> Do you know how do you know how many [02:39] people live in Gaza? [02:41] >> Well, you said 1.2 million got [02:43] evacuated right? [02:44] >> 1.6 million from Rafa. Yeah. [02:46] >> So, maybe around like 3 million. [02:48] >> It's around 2 million people. So if 70% [02:51] of the buildings or 80% of the buildings [02:53] have been damaged or destroyed, so that [02:54] means they've been blown up, they're no [02:57] more, [02:59] >> what would you expect the death toll to [03:01] be? [03:02] >> I mean, what [03:04] >> if there's two million people? Yeah. And [03:06] the build the buildings are being [03:07] destroyed on that scale and Gaza is a [03:09] tiny place [03:10] >> and Egypt isn't letting any refugees [03:12] out. [03:13] >> Probably what's the statistics say [03:14] around like 70 probably now 80,000. [03:18] Why wouldn't you expect there to be 70% [03:20] of the population? [03:22] >> Because if you look at, you know, the [03:24] Ukraine and Russian war, there's way [03:25] less civilian deaths than [03:27] >> No, but that's because they're not [03:28] locked in a small tiny area. See, as [03:31] >> it's not really a war. It's like, you [03:32] know, it's like sticks, it's a stick [03:33] versus F35. [03:35] >> That's fine. But I just want you to you [03:36] apply logic because you get brainwashed [03:38] in the West and you have no idea what's [03:39] going on here. [03:42] >> No, seriously. You know, when it when it [03:44] when it started, bro, like [03:45] >> I mean, [03:45] >> all the all the UK media love Israel, [03:47] though. So, who's really probably [03:49] >> Are you saying the UK media loves [03:50] Israel? Are you serious? You [03:52] >> I mean, they did. They did. [03:55] They [snorts] did until [03:56] >> That's because the UK media and the UK [03:58] loves a dead Jew. They love a weak Jew. [04:00] They love an Avitz Jew. They hate a Jew [04:02] that fights back. But anyway, coming [04:04] back coming back back in the room, back [04:06] in the room. [04:08] The reason there aren't 70% of the [04:11] population dead is because Israel has [04:13] placed millions of phone calls, sent [04:14] millions of texts, created maps, created [04:17] humanitarian corridors, and created [04:19] safer zones where the civilians can flee [04:21] because their neighbors, Egypt, locked [04:23] the border, and didn't let any children [04:26] out. Didn't let any women out. You [04:27] mentioned Ukraine. There were millions [04:29] of refugees from Ukraine. Millions. [04:32] There has not been one refugee from Gaza [04:34] because they've been locked in and [04:36] condemned to live in a war zone. So, [04:38] Israel has moved mountains to preserve [04:40] and conserve civilian life. Yes. [04:43] >> Where did where did Hamas come from? [04:45] >> Where [04:46] is an Muslim? So, I'm answering an [04:49] Muslim. Do you know who Muslim are? [04:52] >> Oh, who's that? [04:53] >> It's a jihadi organization that looks to [04:56] establish a global caliphate. Thewan [04:58] Muslim of Gaza in 1987 changed their [05:02] name to Hamas, the Islamic Resistance [05:04] Movement. and they looked to re to [05:07] destroy Israel. They they their founding [05:10] charter said that there were that there [05:13] is a religious obligation to murder [05:16] every last Jew. Quoting a hadith in [05:18] Sahib Bkari. [05:20] >> Um so that's where Hamas came from. [05:22] Where do you think Hamas came from? [05:23] >> I think Hamas came from a power struggle [05:25] when you guys landed into well what you [05:27] call now modern Israel. I think it [05:30] caused a power vacuum and created a [05:32] power cell which you guys are fighting [05:33] now. So technically your thought about [05:35] Hamas is even there in the first place [05:36] just like the Taliban with the Americans [05:38] you know like oh and also you talk about [05:41] these um you know Muslims who want to [05:42] kill you guys but I didn't really see [05:44] you guys attack ISIS [05:46] but everyone else was attacking ISIS but [05:48] Israel and Israel ISIS attacked Israel [05:51] but said sorry [05:53] >> there's oh okay we we won't strike back [05:55] you know we won't do anything and isn't [05:57] that just kind of like strange [05:59] >> so Israel fights wars with nations and [06:02] people that attack Israel and we have [06:05] been attacked by Dish and we've killed [06:07] Dish. We I but this is we get we'll get [06:10] on the Dish because I want to stay on [06:11] the bigger subject. This is we're going [06:13] on now. You mentioned something about us [06:16] landing in their country and that's why [06:17] Hamas was born. [06:19] >> Yeah. Power struggle. [06:20] >> Okay. So, are you aware of the [06:22] Palestinian charter of 1964? [06:26] >> No. [06:27] So in it, it says, "The Palestinians [06:30] have no claim to Gaza or the West Bank." [06:34] Isn't that interesting? Because at that [06:36] time, Egypt was occupying Gaza and [06:38] Jordan had conquered the what was [06:41] previously called Judea and Samaria. [06:43] They'd conquered it and renamed it the [06:45] the West Bank. And so the Palestinians [06:47] had the only territorial claim they had [06:50] was Israel. [06:52] Hamas were not born [06:56] in 1964. They were born in 1987 [07:00] with the objective of taking all of the [07:03] land. This is many years after Israel [07:04] was reestablished. Before Israel was [07:07] reestablished, you had groups like [07:11] which was the prototype ISIS. They were [07:14] massacring Jews in the 30s. Jews were [07:17] massacred in the 1830s, 1834. [07:20] ISIS came about because of America [07:22] aggression in the Middle East and [07:23] Europe. [07:23] >> I'm talking 100 years before ISIS. I'm [07:25] saying this is [07:26] >> modernis I don't want. [07:28] >> No, I'm saying the modern ISIS [07:30] Abu Bakad Abu Bakr al Baghdadi modeled [07:35] his terror group on something was [07:38] founded in Syria, same place 100 years [07:41] earlier. A man called Isadin Al- Kazam, [07:44] who the Kazam brigade brigades are named [07:46] after. The Hamas militant wing named [07:49] after this man was a Syrian terrorist [07:51] who set up cells to murder Jews in the [07:53] 1920s and 30s. [07:56] >> Jews have been slaughtered in the land [07:57] that you claimed that we arrived at for [08:00] centuries. The oldest community was [08:02] Hebrron. The Jewish community of [08:05] Hebrron, it's been there for thousands [08:07] of years, was slaughtered in 1929. [08:11] >> Your history is as bad as your awareness [08:14] of what's going on in Gaza today. I [08:16] simply don't know. Okay. So, tell me [08:18] about the 1929 massacre of Jews. What [08:20] was the name of the [08:21] >> Why? Why are you talking about like 100 [08:23] years ago? I'm talking about now [08:24] >> because you said the Jews arrived. [08:26] >> Does that have correlation with the [08:27] modern state? [08:28] >> You brought it up. You said Hamas were [08:30] born because Jews arrived. [08:31] >> Yeah, maybe I said born, but I think you [08:33] feel their anger and if you don't want [08:36] me to point, let me get this out [08:38] straight. Okay, let me get this [08:39] straight. I don't like Hamas and I don't [08:40] like the IDF. I think what the Hamas did [08:42] was really [ __ ] and a really strange [08:44] tactical move to make on Israel in the [08:46] first place. It's kind of [ __ ] from [08:47] them. They caused the death of [08:49] Palestinians, but I think Israelis gone [08:51] too far and done too like [08:53] >> and I think they really attacked this [08:55] problem really shitty, terribly. And [08:58] don't get me wrong, at the beginning of [08:59] this war, I thought Israel were the good [09:01] guys. I was like, okay, yeah, Israel, [09:02] defend yourself. But then I kept seeing [09:04] more and more the little cracks started [09:05] to form. Oh, maybe the IDF is not as [09:08] good as I seem. Don't worry, I I still [09:10] appreciate the Israeli people. They're [09:12] very funny. They're very kind. But the [09:14] IDF and Hamas are equally as bad. [09:18] >> So, first thing, please, just for the [09:20] sake of the debate, don't bring things [09:22] up you don't want me to respond to [09:24] because I was responding directly to [09:25] what you said. [09:25] >> No, I just What's the point of debating [09:26] about stuff I don't know about? Let's [09:28] debate about things I know about so we [09:29] can actually have a clear conversation. [09:30] Obviously, you've learned more history [09:31] than me. It's probably one of your [09:33] degrees, but I've not done that. I've [09:34] seen [09:35] >> Fine. So you're you're saying what you [09:37] so let's deal with you and I I I'll flip [09:38] it around then instead of me just [09:40] showing what I know because I am well [09:42] read in this subject. You said that you [09:45] were with Israel at the beginning but [09:47] they they went too far. What would you [09:50] say would have been an appropriate [09:54] way of retrieving the hostages and [09:56] fighting Hamas in the battle arena that [09:59] Hamas had built. So just just so it's [10:03] really clear, Gaza is one of the most [10:05] densely populated places certainly in [10:07] the region. Hamas had built a network of [10:09] tunnels that dwarfs the London [10:11] underground under there. They have [10:12] tunnel shafts coming into houses, [10:14] schools, mosques and they were using [10:17] >> Yeah. They then hid their people [10:20] >> under these buildings. [10:21] >> That's called warfare. [10:23] >> How so so I'm saying how should Israel [10:25] have responded to that? What would have [10:26] been the right way of responding in your [10:28] eyes? [10:28] >> Probably not just blowing the whole [10:30] place up. maybe taking it a bit [10:31] strategically more and just not blowing [10:33] up every building they see cuz they can [10:35] use the excuse. Oh, Hamas were hiding [10:36] under it. [10:38] >> So, I'm I'm saying so so [10:40] how do you def [10:43] is a tricky question but obviously I [10:45] think the way you guys did it was [10:46] terrible and actually unstrategic and [10:48] you wasted a lot of resources and you've [10:50] got all eyes on you now and a lot of [10:52] countries are splitting ties with your [10:54] alliance because of the way you've [10:55] handled the situation. [10:57] >> Okay, but that's all good. It's very [10:59] easy to to criticize an action. I'm [11:02] asking what should we have done instead? [11:04] >> What you should done, I think you should [11:05] have built well obviously attack back, [11:07] right? You know, attack clear [11:09] indification. Wait, let me say this. Let [11:10] me say this. [11:11] >> Okay. [11:11] >> Obviously attack key structures of [11:13] their, you know, operation. Attack key [11:15] people, blow them up, burn to bits. But [11:17] I think you should put more money into [11:19] defense than an aggression. [11:21] >> Okay. Okay. Okay, so one of the thing I [11:23] was thinking about this. I thought one [11:24] of the things I thought we got wrong and [11:26] we could have done better is I think it [11:27] would have been smarter because we know [11:29] who everyone is in G. So we have [11:31] telephone numbers. We know where they [11:33] live. If we're going in and we're [11:35] hitting a building, we we should have [11:36] been texting everyone in that building [11:37] and telling them to leave. [11:39] >> Yes. [11:39] >> Yeah. I I think that would have been [11:41] good. Now say they don't leave. I I [11:43] think we should have also telling them [11:45] to leave. Leave where? I think we should [11:47] have created places they could escape to [11:49] and created safe passages to those [11:52] places. I think that would have been a [11:54] sensible thing to do instead of just [11:56] dropping bombs from the sky. Give the [11:57] civilians a chance to leave if they are [11:59] civilians and go to a safer place and [12:02] maybe print maps like cuz how do they [12:04] know where to go? They print maps. Drop [12:05] them from airplanes so they can follow [12:07] those maps. Make sure they're in Arabic [12:08] so they can follow those maps. That [12:10] would have been better than just [12:11] bombing. [12:13] >> Definitely. [12:14] >> Well, that's what Israel did. Israel did [12:16] all of the above. [12:17] >> Yeah, they they've they've I've even [12:19] seen videos of them bulld Why do they [12:21] bring bulldozers out to like find out? [12:24] >> You missed that, bro. Israel sent text [12:27] messages, millions of them, to warn [12:29] civilians to leave. [12:32] >> Israel dropped flyers from the sky [12:34] telling people to leave. They made phone [12:36] calls. They warned civilians. They [12:37] created humanitarian corridors. [12:39] >> If that was the case, then you'd have [12:40] seen a lot less civilian deaths. [12:42] >> You have. That's why you haven't seen [12:44] >> And how do you know they Texas? [12:46] >> Trust me, I I've been to command [12:48] centers. I've spoken to the generals. [12:49] I've seen the evidence [laughter] with [12:50] my own. I I've seen the flyers they [12:52] dropped. I've I picked up and held the [12:54] flyers that they dropped. [12:56] >> Yes. Really? You can go on my YouTube [12:57] and look at videos of me doing all of [12:58] the above. Um, [13:00] >> but how how I just don't get how you can [13:03] sit there and not feel any human or [13:07] sadness towards the Palestinian people? [13:09] Maybe you do. Maybe you're wrong about [13:10] yourself. You haven't you haven't asked [13:12] anything of how I feel about the war. [13:13] We're speaking. [13:14] >> How do you feel about it? How do you [13:15] feel about Palestinian children being [13:18] destroyed by your military? [13:19] >> I think a Palestinian I'm a father of [13:21] two girls. I think a Palestinian child's [13:24] life is as sacred as my girl's life. I [13:26] love my girls. [13:27] >> So, with that said, you should at least [13:30] obviously fight for your country, but [13:31] you should at least [13:32] >> discredit what your government's been [13:34] doing. [13:36] Your government's awful. Even your own [13:37] country hates people in Can you not Can [13:40] you Can you not just confirm what I [13:41] said? I I [13:42] >> Bro, why did you keep saying that? [13:43] [laughter] [13:44] >> I showed you exact No, cuz you keep [13:45] moving the conversation on. I'm [13:48] >> a fast speaker, bro. Like, [13:49] >> no. No, it's not that you're fast [13:50] speaker. It's you're not dealing with [13:51] the [13:52] >> You're talking about the fly. You're [13:53] talking about flyers and the I gave you [13:55] examples of what Israel does and has [13:57] done and it's verifiable. You can look [13:59] at airplanes dropping flyers, videos of [14:01] them dropping flyers from the sky. [14:04] Israel's facilitated the movement of 2 [14:06] billion kg of aid. Today, Israel is [14:08] providing the gardens with water and [14:10] electricity. These are an enemy [14:12] population who we are still assisting. [14:14] >> Enemy population. [14:16] >> 80% 80% 80% of gardens support October [14:20] the 7th. 80% support what Hamas did. [14:23] >> You know what that with that case? Do [14:26] you do you wonder why? [14:28] >> Do I wonder why? Yes. Because they were [14:30] educated by Hamas. Hamas has been in [14:32] control. are like a little [14:35] >> They're the government. You're [14:36] demonstrating your ignorance. [14:38] >> There's no government left there. Your [14:39] guys, [14:40] >> they were the government from 200 from [14:42] 2007. [14:44] >> How how you surround that? You surround [14:46] that [ __ ] place. You could literally [14:47] just go in right now. [14:48] >> So, are we in charge of the education [14:50] there? So, I just want to be clear what [14:51] you're saying. [14:52] >> I mean, if you if you have the power to [14:53] I I wouldn't put it past Ministry of [14:56] Mossad going in there and doing [14:58] >> There is no Israeli Ministry of Mossad. [15:01] Well, you're making noise in general. [15:03] >> Okay. Mossad doesn't deal with Gaza. [15:06] Gaza is internal. Msad is external. [15:09] >> Like you you with all due respect, my [15:13] friend, you've been educated by Tik Tok. [15:14] You have no idea what goes on. I [15:15] >> don't even have Tik Tok. [15:18] >> Well, you said you seem like you're a [15:19] graduate of the academy. [15:20] >> I don't I've never watched I haven't Tik [15:22] Tok for four years. [15:23] >> Okay. Where you got my opinion from? [15:26] >> I got my opinions from seeing uncensored [15:29] footage. Okay. [15:32] Where where did you watch the uncensored [15:33] footage? [15:34] >> Just these shock websites, these war [15:36] footage, archived websites, and I saw I [15:39] used to watch these videos just because [15:40] I have a I have an interest in military [15:42] stuff and I like how military things [15:44] work. And you know, sometimes a Gaza [15:47] video would pull up and I'd watch a Gaza [15:48] video and it just be a kid getting [15:50] sniped to the head or there'll be a [15:52] video or just some kid or like some kid [15:54] missing like half a body when his dad [15:55] gets pulled up at the same time [15:57] >> and their bodies get chucked onto the [15:59] truck drove home. Imagine what that [16:01] feels like. [16:02] >> So I'm Bro, unlike you, I have friends [16:06] who've died. I have friends who've been [16:08] lost to this conflict. [16:09] >> Yeah. [16:09] >> You don't have to tell me to imagine. I [16:12] live this. I live here. I walk this [16:14] land. [16:14] >> You've you're you're you were born in [16:17] Gaza. [16:18] >> No, I'm talking about Israel. [16:20] >> So where? So you live in Israel. [16:21] >> You are living you're living Wales or [16:23] somewhere. I'm not sure where you're [16:24] living in the UK. [16:25] >> I don't see mass destruction of Israel [16:27] on Google Earth. But I do see see mass [16:28] destruction on Gaza though. [16:31] >> You see destruction of buildings, not [16:32] people. And I thank God. [16:35] >> When there's buildings destroyed, there [16:36] is people dead. [16:38] >> Okay. So why? Let's be honest. [16:39] >> So okay, perfect. Let's do I want you to [16:41] apply logic here. 70% of the buildings [16:44] destroyed. Let's say [16:46] >> 70% of what is 70% of 2 million. [16:49] >> Uh [16:51] you got to hit me on that. [16:52] >> What? 1 1.4 million. [16:54] >> Okay. [16:54] >> Do you know what the death toll is? I [16:56] know you said it before. You said at the [16:57] beginning you do know the death toll. [16:59] >> 70 80k. [17:00] >> Yeah. 74 74,000. Do you know of that [17:03] 74,000 how many of them died of natural [17:06] causes? According to the Ministry, [17:08] you're laughing. According to the [17:09] Ministry of Health, the Gaza Ministry of [17:11] Health, how many of them died of natural [17:13] causes? So, pneumonia, natural deaths, [17:17] >> you know, where does where does ammonia [17:18] come from, bro? Where is it? Ram [17:20] >> pneumonia. [17:21] >> Yeah. Do you know how many Germans died [17:23] of that in World War II? [17:24] >> So, just just before you you you give [17:26] yourself a pat on pat on the back, [17:29] >> the deaths from natural causes are in [17:31] line with what they were before October [17:33] the 7th. It's around 7,000 a year. So [17:36] you've got around 18 to 21,000 people [17:38] dying of natural causes removed from the [17:41] 74,000 which leaves you around 50,000. [17:44] Israel claims they've killed 25,000 [17:47] militants. So that means 25,000 [17:49] non-combatants have tragically died in a [17:52] population of 2 million. [17:55] Israel is not trying to kill [17:57] Palestinians. You don't feed and move [18:00] people you're trying to kill. My friends [18:03] children, my friends are risking their [18:06] lives to keep Palestinians alive. And [18:08] morons like you watch a few [18:11] watch your war porn [18:13] >> because bro, this is my life. War porn [18:15] is is when people [18:17] >> It's where you people get people [18:20] broadcast horrific images of war. [18:23] >> Yeah. It shows you what's really [18:24] happening. Are you scheduled that or [18:26] something? I'm sitting in this nice [18:27] house, got AC and everything. I want to [18:29] see what the world's like outside my [18:31] little safe spot. You know, I want to [18:32] know there's people out there who have [18:34] it really hard. And if you if you don't [18:35] think like that, you're going to be [18:37] [ __ ] Unfortunately, [18:39] you got to see what the world looks like [18:40] outside the censorship or you're just [18:42] like living inside a box. Like you can [18:45] only see what the media wants to show [18:47] you. [18:49] So [18:51] you don't you see the do you see what [18:55] happens here through the lens of a [18:56] propagandist because you're not on [18:58] >> No, I don't. I look at a logical way and [19:00] my pattern recognition tells me that [19:02] Israel's the bad guys in this war. [19:04] >> So people [19:05] >> as well as as well as Hamas. Don't get [19:07] me wrong on that. But [19:09] >> if you watch my I'm not asking you to. [19:10] If you watch my content, you will see a [19:13] certain perspective. If I drive through [19:15] Mmas, uh, one of the very affluent [19:18] Palestinian villages just north of east [19:20] of Ramla, you'll see G Wagons, BMWs, and [19:23] this is the image that somebody watching [19:25] my content will get of what it's like to [19:28] be a Palestinian. If you watch someone [19:30] who is anti-Israel, what you'll see is [19:32] Palestinians living in abject poverty. [19:34] You'll see war. [19:36] >> You think I'm a biased guy. You think [19:37] I'm biased. [19:38] >> I'm trying to explain something to you. [19:41] I guarantee I know without a shadow of a [19:43] doubt you're not consuming any Zionist [19:45] content. You're consuming anti [19:47] >> bro. It's all I get, bro. Am times I get [19:50] Zionist content on my [ __ ] like what [19:51] YouTube [19:53] which Okay, which Zionist content are [19:55] you? [19:55] >> I've seen you. [19:57] >> Okay. No, I'm saying [19:58] >> I've l seen you, bro. I've literally [20:00] seen you. That's proper. That's Zionist [20:03] content, right? Am I wrong? [20:05] >> So, I am 100% Zionist content. But what [20:07] I'm saying, and so imagine, okay, here's [20:09] the thing. Do you think someone who just [20:11] watches my content is going to get an [20:13] honest representation of what's [20:15] happening, an accurate represent? [20:19] >> And so, do you think now I want you to [20:21] be intellectually honest? If you're [20:22] consuming content from the other side, [20:24] which you are, you've just told me you [20:25] are. No, I just think you're going to [20:26] get the same like, [20:28] >> okay, who's filming those videos? Is it [20:29] Zionist that's filming the videos you're [20:31] watching? [20:31] >> Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes it's Zionist. [20:34] Sometimes it's, you know, Hamas. [20:36] Sometimes it's hammer. [20:37] >> You're not You're not being [20:38] >> anyone with a video camera at the [20:40] [ __ ] time of the accident or the [20:42] death. Yeah. [20:44] >> What? [20:44] >> You're not being You're not being [20:46] honest. [20:46] >> I am being honest. You think I watch [20:49] reals or like Tik Tok and I give No, I [20:50] hate that [ __ ] I think they talk about [20:52] the wrong points to make us look [20:53] [ __ ] [20:55] >> Okay. In Gaza, the people that are [20:58] filming the content that you're [21:00] consuming, and there are real tragedies [21:02] that are happening want you to see [21:05] things from their perspective. [21:07] >> Yeah. [21:08] >> Yeah. Clearly. And so what I'm arguing [21:11] is that the overwhelming majority of [21:14] what you understand as happening in Gaza [21:16] or in Judea and Samaria, the West Bank, [21:18] as you mentioned, the settlers, is being [21:20] filmed by those people. So for instance, [21:22] you mentioned you touched on settler [21:23] violence. Yeah. You mentioned the [21:25] settlers. [21:26] >> So what typically happens with the [21:28] settler violence is you have two parties [21:31] competing over land [21:33] >> in the nest that Oslo left behind behind [21:36] the state land [21:39] and [21:41] anarchists activists will go to and the [21:44] media will go to some of these hotspots. [21:48] They will rile up the the hilltop youth [21:51] and then the hilltop youth will respond [21:53] in kind and then the cameras start [21:55] rolling when there's the response from [21:57] the hilltop youth and it's look look at [21:58] these violent settlers. So in the latest [22:00] video you can see which just went viral [22:02] over Shabbat from Taba. You can see [22:04] people running around with slingshots [22:06] and rocket. It's clearly these are two [22:08] groups of youths violently clashing over [22:10] land but it's broadcast as violent [22:13] settler terrorists stealing land. And [22:15] so, [22:19] okay. Yeah, it's hysterical, bro. It's [22:20] hysterical. You're right. It's [22:22] >> It gets to a point where you can't be [22:24] this biased, bro. [22:25] >> Okay. So, here's a question. The United [22:27] Nations is responsible for collecting [22:29] most of the data on settler violence. [22:31] They put out a report uh saying that [22:35] 8,000 people or there's 8,000 incidents [22:38] of settler violence. So, I'm going to [22:40] give you some examples of that settler [22:42] violence from this report. Jews praying [22:44] on the Temple Mount. Do you know what [22:45] the Temple Mount is? [22:48] >> It's the holiest site in Judaism. Jews [22:50] praying there is considered a form of [22:51] settler violence, the United Nations. [22:53] >> The wall, right? [22:54] >> And now it's above the wall. The wall is [22:55] the supporting wall for the Temple [22:57] Mount. Um it's where Masid Alaxa is, the [23:00] Dome of the Rock. That's our holiest [23:02] site. Um another example, well 19% of [23:06] the incident, that's 16% 19% is [23:09] trespassing. So a Palestinian claims [23:12] that this is his olive grove. A Jew's [23:14] dog runs into there that the Israeli Jew [23:16] follows him, retrieves his dog. That's a [23:18] form of settler violence to the United [23:20] Nation. Why is this? Why does this [23:23] matter? No, this I mean you're laughing [23:25] because they're reports. So like, but [23:26] you said this before like the natural [23:28] causes of death in Palestine. It just [23:30] doesn't make sense. [23:31] >> So natural causes were 7,000. The United [23:34] Nations, the Guardian reported this. The [23:36] Guardian reported from the Gaza Ministry [23:37] of Health that 7,000 people just north [23:40] of 7,000 people died of natural causes. [23:43] This is the UNH charal is putting out [23:46] the reports saying that 16% of settle [23:49] islands is Jews praying on the Temple [23:52] Mount. 19% is Jews being present. No [23:55] damage, no criminal damage, no damage to [23:58] humans, no damage to buildings, just [23:59] Jews present, defiling the land with [24:01] their presence. That's 19%. Another 20% [24:05] is where there was a form of criminal of [24:08] damage to property. And so when you get [24:10] into it, there is very little actual [24:12] violent altercations. But when you're [24:14] watching it from the outside, you see [24:16] these video clips of what happened in [24:18] Taber. You see the video clips of what [24:20] happened in Kustra in Jaloud in these [24:23] villages and it's isolated incidents and [24:26] then that's broadcast around the world [24:27] as this is what's going on here. And [24:30] this is what I'm this is what I mean by [24:31] you consume you see the lens through you [24:33] see the conflict through the lens of a [24:35] propaganda. I've [24:35] >> seen both I watch documentaries for both [24:37] sides. They do both sides in one video. [24:39] I've seen that I've seen all the videos [24:41] and what I've gone to with my apparent [24:43] recognition of my 23 years of being on [24:45] this planet. My brain is telling me I [24:48] think these Israeli guys are pretty bad [24:49] people. Well, not the IDF and maybe some [24:53] maybe you just slipped there. These [24:56] Israeli guys [24:59] I mean, I try not to, but you know, [25:01] sometimes it gets me. [25:04] >> And I'm just glad that we no longer live [25:06] under people like you. And I would I I [25:08] am I am so grateful. [25:11] >> What do you mean Gen Z? There's no No [25:12] one's ever lived under a Gen Z person [25:14] yet. What are you on about? [25:16] >> Europeans. [25:17] >> European. Oh, there we go. [25:20] >> Yeah. Yeah. You put six million. [25:21] Europeans put six mill. You're You're in [25:23] the UK. You burnt my people at the [25:24] stake. [25:25] >> What? Who? Who? um maybe like actually [25:29] defeated the guys who were like, you [25:31] know, put you guys into a holocaust and [25:33] then gave you guys Israel. Who was who [25:35] who gave you guys Israel? [25:37] >> Who who educate me. Who gave us Israel? [25:40] >> Oh, it's obviously Britain, right? [25:42] >> When when did Britain give us Israel? [25:43] >> I think around either, correct me if I'm [25:45] wrong, between 1945 and 1948 or maybe [25:49] 1949. [25:50] >> So So why were we at war with the why [25:52] was groups like the gun at war with the [25:54] British? What's up? [25:56] >> Why was groups like the Erdogan at war [25:58] with the British? Why did the British [25:59] arm the Jordan, the Arab Legion? Why [26:01] were the British officers fighting the [26:03] Jews in 1948? [26:06] Sorry. [26:06] >> Why was the Jewish terrorist cells [26:08] fighting British troops as well? Like, [26:10] >> so you know that. So why are you saying [26:12] that Britain gave us it if you know that [26:13] we're fighting them? [26:15] >> Because you guys just did that. We gave [26:16] you We let you guys we literally got in [26:19] boats, let you guys go there. We [26:21] governed it for a bit. Obviously, we [26:23] still controlled it, but then you go [26:24] >> in 1947 the in 1947 the the proposal for [26:29] partition. [26:31] If Britain gave us it, how did they [26:32] vote? Did they vote in favor of [26:34] partition or did they vote against like [26:36] the Arab nations or did they abstain? [26:38] How did Britain vote in 1947 if they [26:40] gave us the land? [26:42] >> They did though. They took over [26:43] Palestine saying they using it and [26:46] protecting it from Germany or something. [26:48] And then [26:49] >> No, no, no. This is [26:50] >> You guys got under the boats and you [26:52] went there and now look [26:53] >> 1947. Sorry. Sorry. I said 1947. Do you [26:55] know your history? Do you know your [26:56] chronology? [26:58] >> Like I said, I'm not as touched on [27:00] history as you. [27:01] >> Okay. World War II finishes in 1945. [27:04] >> Yeah. [27:04] >> So in 1947, the United Nations votes on [27:08] whether to partition the land. [27:09] >> So it's got nothing to do with Germany. [27:11] Germany's finished. The Holocaust is [27:12] over. [27:13] >> How do you think Britain votes? [27:16] Oh no. [27:17] >> They abstained. When Jordan conquers the [27:20] West Bank, which was then called Judea [27:22] and Samaria before they renamed it, [27:24] which is the area we were just talking [27:25] about, Britain was one of three nations [27:28] that recognized the Jordanian occupation [27:30] as legitimate, the annexation. [27:34] And so Britain was no friend of the UK, [27:37] of of Israel at this point. You said [27:39] that Britain took us over on boats. [27:41] Britain put quotas from 1939 banning [27:44] Jews from entering the land and opening [27:46] up the land to mass Arab migration. It's [27:49] called the 1939 white paper. You can [27:50] smirk, but I'm giving you nothing but [27:52] >> I'm just reading about, you know, [27:54] Britain played Yeah, I was woring about, [27:55] you know, Britain didn't technically [27:57] give Jews Israel, but they did give a [27:59] big major role into making, you know, [28:02] the Zionist like groundwork. I guess [28:03] that's what it was telling me. So [28:05] technically, we still gave you guys the [28:07] groundwork of what you guys are today. [28:10] We gave you the book. Say, "Hey, read [28:12] this and you'll have the state of [28:13] Israel." [28:15] >> Okay. [28:17] >> Sorry. [28:19] >> So, do you hear what I said or [28:21] >> No, no. Could you just repeat it? So, I [28:22] had to at the top. [28:23] >> I said it played a historical like, you [28:26] know, play into the groundworks of the [28:28] Zionist movement. Literally, basically, [28:30] we gave you a book. You guys read the [28:32] book and then you made civilization from [28:35] >> So, you gave us a book. What? [28:36] >> Well, not as a as a metaphor. We [28:38] actually give you a physical book, but [28:39] we taught you guys of [28:41] >> how what you guys are today Zionists. We [28:44] gave you the groundworks. We gave you [28:45] the roads. We gave you the [28:46] infrastructure. We gave you the [28:47] politics. [28:48] >> So, okay. So, are you talking about [28:49] British mandatory Palestine? [28:52] >> Well, for when you guys came over, well, [28:55] when [28:55] >> do you know do you know how Britain do [28:57] you know that how Britain came to have [28:58] the mandate over Palestine? [29:01] >> No. Tell me. [29:02] >> Okay. So the Ottomans were fighting the [29:06] British in World War I and the Allies. [29:11] >> And [29:12] once they were defeated, the Ottomans [29:14] were the previous empire that controlled [29:16] this region. There were Jews, Arabs, [29:18] what Muslims, Christians, Drews living [29:20] in the land [29:21] >> and it was controlled by the Ottoman [29:22] Empire. When the Ottomans were defeated, [29:24] the League of Nations said, "What do we [29:26] do with all the territory that was now [29:27] was Ottoman and is now in our hand?" And [29:30] Britain was given mandate over Palestine [29:33] on the condition they establish a Jewish [29:35] national home there. Do you know what [29:36] the first thing Britain did was in 1920? [29:39] >> What? [29:40] >> When they received the mandate, they [29:41] gave 78% of Palestine to the Arabs to [29:45] some foreign Arabs. Actually, do you [29:46] know what the foreign Arabs called [29:48] Palestine? 78%. [29:50] >> Who? [29:51] >> Jordan. Jordan. [29:53] >> Now, at this point in the 20s, there's [29:55] already a considerable Jewish presence [29:57] in the land. Jews had were at least a [29:59] hundred years before that the majority [30:01] population in Jerusalem. Jews had built [30:04] infrastructure. Jews had poured huge [30:06] sums of money and continued pouring [30:08] money into the into the British [30:10] mandatory Palestine to build the [30:13] infrastructure for a state because we [30:15] were pushing for statehood. You're [30:16] right. [30:18] >> But it wasn't that the British showed us [30:19] how to do this and the British did this [30:21] for us. It's the opposite. If you read [30:22] any history, you'll find it was the [30:24] Arabs that participated in the British [30:27] state building and the British like the [30:29] Arabs. The Jews they saw as socialist, [30:32] as leftwing, as rebellious. Uh none of [30:35] the Jews went to the British schools. [30:36] They went to their own schools. They [30:38] rejected the the British um initiatives [30:42] and Britain was only temporary mandate [30:44] to begin with. The condition of them [30:46] being there was establishing the Jewish [30:48] state which the Jews were already [30:49] building on the ground before the [30:51] British came along. [30:52] >> But you guys would have been slaughtered [30:53] if we weren't there. [30:54] >> How? [30:56] >> Because you guys had no military. [30:59] >> Okay. So if that were the case, why were [31:03] we clashing with the British and the [31:05] Arabs? Surely we'd have been [31:06] slaughtered. [31:07] >> Cuz you guys are just, I don't know, [31:08] aggressive or something. [31:09] >> So then how did we survive? That's what [31:11] I'm saying. [31:12] >> How did you survive? Cuz you know what [31:13] just happened to you guys in the [31:15] Holocaust? I think the world said [31:16] together we should know [31:17] >> this is before I'm wrong. Never again. [31:19] Right. [31:19] >> You're wrong. This is before the [31:21] Holocaust. [31:22] >> What you talk about the Ottoman Empire [31:23] still? [31:24] >> I'm talking the British Monday period. [31:25] The British weren't in it when it was [31:26] the Ottoman Empire. [31:28] >> I don't really know much about that [31:30] area but [31:32] I know I put my scope onto the modern [31:34] day and what's going on. [31:35] >> Can I ask you a question? It says [31:37] general because I find it fascinating [31:38] speaking to people like you. You clearly [31:40] have a fraction of the knowledge that I [31:42] have. And I'm not being arrogant here. [31:44] It's just a fact. [31:45] >> Everything that you've said is [31:46] incorrect. Everything that you've said [31:48] is incorrect from history from the [31:50] people that drafted from David Lloyd [31:51] George from his journal from um John Gub [31:54] Pasha um Gulib Pasha the the the [31:58] changing my mind. [31:59] >> No, this is this is this is that was my [32:01] question. When you meet someone who is [32:04] clearly more informed and you sit there [32:06] and arrogantly smirk and say, "None of [32:08] this is changing my mind. debunk. I've [32:10] I've seen you like I I know you come on [32:12] here obviously to like boost the Israeli [32:15] propaganda or whatever you're doing. I [32:16] don't know what you're doing, but [32:17] >> I'm making the world safer for my [32:19] children. That's what I'm doing. [32:20] >> I am not, bro. You're coming on Amigle [32:23] just to debate people who just come on [32:25] here to talk normally and then you think [32:27] you're some debate master. But no, [32:29] you're just wrong about like whatever [32:30] you're saying does not even remotely [32:33] conflict with the ideas I have about [32:35] about [32:35] >> what would it what would it what would [32:36] it take to convince you that you're [32:39] wrong? [32:40] >> Nothing cuz I'm right. [32:42] >> Okay. All right. It's been lovely [32:43] chatting, my friend. You have a lovely [32:45] day. And there we go, guys. There's I [32:48] mean, fortunately, when I speak to [32:49] someone like him, I'm not speaking to [32:52] him. I'm clearly speaking to the [32:53] audience. I'm letting the audience know [32:55] the people that are watching this that [32:57] are undecided or maybe anti who believe [33:00] the lines that he believes but are maybe [33:02] more open-minded and less arrogant and [33:05] willing to admit that maybe they have [33:07] made some mistakes. I'm speaking to [33:09] those guys. Debates like that aren't [33:12] about whether I can con convince this [33:14] individual. I can't. He's gone. He's a [33:17] lost cause. He says he's not graduated [33:19] from a Tik Tok university. I disagree. I [33:21] think he's a graduate from the Tik Tok [33:22] university. [33:25] It's about convincing the people that [33:27] are watching and showing how empty his [33:30] arguments are. It's sound bites. It's [33:33] not real.
