Transcript [00:00] I want to share with you something um uh [00:04] very interesting that happened to me [00:06] today. I want to um talk today about the [00:10] ministry mafia. The ministry mafia. It's [00:13] probably too strong of a word because [00:14] mafia, they actually kill people and [00:16] nobody's killing anybody. At least not [00:18] yet. But something happened to me uh [00:21] this week. It happened two times and um [00:25] you know I've been debating whether or [00:26] not to talk about it with you but you [00:29] know I just feel like the body of Christ [00:32] needs to know these things that they are [00:34] happening so people can make decisions [00:38] about who they're going to trust. Uh and [00:41] there is a club there is a legit club [00:44] out there and they protect each other. [00:47] So, you have somebody who was involved [00:48] in some sort of uh uh sexual abuse or [00:51] spiritual abuse or or some scandal and [00:54] there are other ministers that will [00:57] cover it up to protect them. They will [01:00] do what they can to keep that [01:02] information from getting out. Now, what [01:03] am I talking about? Well, [01:07] I'm going to read to you a letter that I [01:09] wrote and and and this happened to me [01:12] twice this week. And these are [01:13] endorsements for [01:17] my book, When Shepherds Pray, P R E Y, [01:22] which is uh well, the subtitle, [01:25] Confronting Abuse in the Church [01:26] Leadership, a call for reformation. You [01:28] would think everybody everybody would be [01:30] on board with that, right? Everybody [01:32] should be super on board with the idea [01:35] of confronting sexual abuse in the [01:38] church. There there should be no [01:41] opposition to such a book. But what [01:44] happened is that I had um an endorsement [01:47] and most of the endorsements that we [01:49] have had have been from what I would [01:51] call outside the mainstream meaning not [01:53] necessarily part of the charismatic club [01:56] of protection. [01:58] These are other whistleblowers [02:01] uh uh advocates who have paid a price. [02:04] But there was one endorsement and by the [02:06] way I've removed it. So don't ask me who [02:09] it is and I don't want to I'm not here [02:10] to embarrass anybody. This is about [02:12] truth. It is about honesty. It is about [02:15] integrity. It is not to humiliate [02:16] anybody. [02:19] So uh the the endorsement has been [02:21] removed. Even if you went to the Amazon [02:22] page, you would not find it there. and [02:25] any books that are that that come out in [02:28] the future. Uh, it has been removed. Uh, [02:31] but I I well, you know what? I'm going [02:33] to read you the article I wrote, but [02:34] then it happened again today, which I'll [02:36] get I'll get to in a minute. Okay. I [02:38] wrote this on Saturday morning. [02:43] Yeah. [02:44] At 4:50 this morning, I couldn't sleep [02:47] because something happened yesterday [02:48] that exposed a much deeper problem in [02:50] the charismatic church. Most of the [02:52] people who endorse my book are involved [02:54] in advocacy for survivors of clergy [02:56] sexual abuse. Some have acted as [02:58] whistleblowers. One is a survivor [03:00] herself. But there was one endorsement [03:03] that came from what I would call the [03:05] establishment, a leader of leaders. But [03:08] over the past few months, he and I had [03:10] been in contact over a project that we [03:12] were both involved in. When he endorsed [03:15] the book, I thought if this guy truly [03:18] grasped the message of the book, it [03:20] could influ influence hundreds if not [03:22] thousands of leaders to better protect [03:25] the sheep from shepherds who pray. [03:29] I was truly honored and grateful for his [03:30] endorsement and I knew that people in [03:32] his tribe would push back once they saw [03:35] his name. It was courageous on his part. [03:38] But yesterday, which would have been [03:40] Friday, a week ago, 11 days after When [03:43] Shepherds Pray was published, I received [03:45] an email from him, The Good Spirit of [03:47] Friendship Gone. No salutation, no [03:51] signature, just one sentence. Please [03:55] remove my endorsement from your book, [03:57] When Shepherds Pray. Sent from his [04:02] iPhone. It says, literally says that [04:04] sent from his iPhone. Anyways, um just [04:07] one sentence, not you know, how are you [04:10] Ron? I trust all is well. Um it's just [04:14] one sentence, not love. [04:18] Beep. You know, we're not saying his [04:19] name. Just please remove my endorsement [04:21] from your book. Well, at least he said [04:23] please. But there was no explanation, no [04:25] remorse, no concern about what it would [04:28] possibly take to remove an endorsement [04:30] from a book that is already in print. [04:31] Not even dear Ron, I'm deeply sorry to [04:34] have to share this with you. Just in one [04:37] just one sentence imploring me to remove [04:39] his endorsement from my book. Just a [04:42] week earlier, he had written quote in [04:45] when shepherds pray, Caner courageously [04:47] shines light into areas that too often [04:50] remain hidden with clarity and [04:52] conviction. He calls the church to [04:55] truth, accountability, and genuine care [04:57] for the sheep. This book reminds us that [05:00] spiritual leadership must reflect the [05:02] heart of the great shepherd, Messiah [05:04] Yeshua. I highly recommend this [05:06] important work to all who care about [05:08] ministerial integrity, leadership [05:10] accountability, and the protection of [05:13] God's people. But now remove my [05:16] endorsement. Something shifted in the [05:19] atmosphere. You know, there is a glitch [05:22] in the matrix. Uh something happened, [05:25] you know, between those two comments. [05:27] and I have an idea of what happened, but [05:30] let me continue. [05:32] I reached out to him to let him know [05:33] that I would remove it. Absolutely. What [05:35] I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm not going to [05:37] have anybody's endorsement that doesn't [05:39] want to be in there. Um, but asked if he [05:42] could explain why he came to this [05:44] conclusion. Of course, I knew why. I [05:46] just wanted to hear from him. He emailed [05:47] me the next day and he said that he [05:50] would send me an explanation on Monday. [05:52] Now, as you might realize, today is [05:54] Thursday and I did not receive the [05:57] explanation. So, for all the people that [05:59] will say, "Well, why didn't you reach [06:00] out to him?" I did. And he said he'd get [06:02] back to me, but then he didn't. And and [06:05] and when he got back to me, he said the [06:07] reason he was going to send me an [06:08] explanation is because he believes in [06:10] the work. That's a paraphrase, but he [06:12] believes in the book. So, that that [06:14] that's kind of weird. You wait, you [06:16] believe in the book, but you're removing [06:18] the endorsement. That tells me what I [06:20] already knew, which is that pressure [06:23] from the outside is what caused him to [06:25] remove his endorsement. That is my [06:28] hypothesis. And by the way, let me my [06:30] assumption. Let me just say something [06:32] here. [06:35] I love truth. I would never ever ever [06:38] ever want to say or print anything that [06:42] I knew was false. God forbid. That is [06:45] evil. I don't Well, let me let me just [06:48] be completely honest. I do my very best [06:50] not to lie to people. I do not lie. I'm [06:53] sure I have and I I'm God knows my heart [06:56] and he knows what I've done and haven't [06:58] done. So, I'm not going to tell you I've [06:58] never lied. But I don't lie. As a habit, [07:01] I do everything I can not to lie. I I [07:04] despise it. So, the idea that I would [07:07] knowingly print stuff in this book about [07:10] people that I that I knew was not true, [07:14] I'm just telling you it number one, [07:16] nothing in that book is is in there uh [07:19] coming from a a malicious motivation and [07:23] nothing in there is knowingly false. God [07:26] forbid that I would print anything [07:28] knowingly. And if there is anything that [07:30] someone would say, "Oh, oh, wait, Ron, [07:32] that that's not what happened." Please [07:34] let me know. I'll I will change it. [07:36] Absolutely. And and repent. We [07:39] everything is sourced. Okay. Now, before [07:42] you misunderstand my heart, I'm not [07:44] offended. I'm not I'm not offended at [07:45] all. Zero offense. I'm not angry. I have [07:49] zero unforgiveness towards By the way, [07:53] the reason I'm like a little sloppy in [07:54] my hair and everything is I just got [07:55] back from the gym. By the way, if you [07:58] are over 60 years old, you can live [08:01] healthy. Just so you know, you can eat [08:03] right, you can exercise, you can get [08:04] your knees, your back, all your joints [08:06] working. And that's for another podcast. [08:09] But I have zero bitterness in my heart [08:12] over this. I am not sharing with this [08:13] with you. If I was bitter, I would tell [08:15] you who these people are. I'm not at [08:17] all. I want you to understand how this [08:19] works. Here is a book that tells, at [08:21] least, as far as I know, the truth that [08:23] spotlights a very significant problem. [08:26] And I got to tell you something, [08:28] and this breaks my heart. I I I was well [08:31] I actually get into it in the letter but [08:32] it it is so much worse than we ever [08:36] thought. It is so much worse the the [08:39] protection that is there the cover up [08:41] culture as Mike Winger calls it. It is [08:44] so much worse than we knew. [08:49] Anyways, I'm not offended. Uh and I'm [08:52] not even surprised. Back to the letter. [08:53] In fact, I was more surprised that he [08:55] endorsed the book in the first place. I [08:57] assumed he would face push back from his [08:58] well-known peers and I thought he [09:00] understood that but believe that the [09:02] message was that important. It was [09:05] important enough to stand by it. So [09:07] please do not misunderstand me as being [09:09] even a little bit bitter or angry. I'm [09:11] not. In fact, that was one of the [09:12] accusations against me from the very [09:14] beginning that oh he's jealous, he's [09:16] bitter, he's angry, disgruntled. Um or [09:19] maybe it's a passion for truth and [09:22] righteousness. Maybe a genuine desire to [09:24] protect people from harm, from spiritual [09:27] and sexual abuse. Could it Could it be [09:30] that? Maybe I'm not bitter. I don't [09:33] know. I got a lot of emails telling me I [09:35] was bitter. People who don't know me, [09:37] anybody who knows me knows that I do not [09:40] tolerate unforgiveness in my heart. I [09:43] wake up every morning and I say, I think [09:45] of anybody that I could possibly have [09:48] unforgiveness against and I say, Lord, I [09:49] forgive them. I bless them. minister to [09:52] them. It's part of the Lord's Prayer. [09:55] All right. Uh back to the letter. But [09:58] his sudden withdrawal of support is a [10:01] vivid illustration of why this book is [10:04] needed and the problem in today's [10:06] charismatic celebrity culture. I'm [10:09] fairly confident that other ministers in [10:10] his circle were shocked that he endorsed [10:12] a book confronting leaders for sexually [10:14] praying on the flock and exposing other [10:16] serious leadership abuses. [10:19] Not because they're pro-sexual abuse, of [10:21] course not, but because they protect [10:24] each other. See, for some, and this is [10:27] where I do get angry, [10:29] it should never be a shepherd's job to [10:32] protect wayward shepherds. Your job [10:36] shepherd is very simple. You protect the [10:39] sheep. That's what a shepherd does. He [10:41] protects the sheep. David risked his [10:43] life against a lion, against a bear, not [10:46] to protect another shepherd, but to [10:49] protect the sheep. But what we said, [10:51] what we have now is shepherds protecting [10:54] shepherds. Psalm 23 is not about God [10:59] protecting a shepherd. It's about God [11:01] ministering to the sheep. Not because [11:03] they are pro-exual abuse, but because [11:05] they protect each other. And be and [11:07] people in their circle are mentioned in [11:09] the book. I don't doubt that they [11:11] pressured him. You don't reverse an [11:13] endorsement overnight without [11:15] significant pressure. You don't reverse [11:18] an endorsement without significant [11:21] consideration. In other words, if I [11:22] endorse somebody's book, and then I [11:24] thought I would be very hesitant to [11:26] unless unless there was a real reason, [11:28] unless the book was heretical, which he [11:31] still the guy still says the book's [11:32] great book. Um uh you know, there's a [11:36] reason obviously. All right, let me see [11:38] if I can get through this. [11:40] And that right there shows you why the [11:43] book is so necessary. This is a book [11:46] about protecting God's sheep. [11:47] Tragically, shockingly, the ones who [11:50] don't want you to read it are those who [11:53] call themselves shepherds. They will [11:55] sacrifice one of God's precious lambs to [11:58] protect their fraternity brothers, their [12:01] fellow shepherds. In reality, shepherds [12:03] are called to protect sheep. But in the [12:04] charismatic movement, way too often we [12:07] see shepherds protecting each other at [12:09] the expense of the sheep. All week I've [12:14] been burdened. I've cried out to God [12:15] over the current state of the [12:16] charismatic leadership. Uh and since [12:18] writing the book, I've come to see that [12:20] it's far worse than I realized. Uh the [12:23] coverup culture, as Mike Winger called [12:25] it, calls it runs deeper than most of us [12:28] know. Too often the sheep become a means [12:31] to an end. fame, influence, enrichment. [12:36] By the way, I've been reading in Jude [12:38] all week. It's one little chapter, and I [12:41] have been going through it verse by [12:42] verse all week, reading commentaries. [12:45] And Jude writes that letter because [12:48] there are shepherds, false teachers, [12:52] false prophets in the church. They've [12:54] secretly infiltrated the church. And he [12:57] says, "You recognize them by by their [12:59] greed and by their sexual sin amongst [13:03] other things." So we need to wake up. We [13:05] need to start using our critical [13:07] thinking skills and understand that [13:10] inside the church, the enemy is going to [13:13] plant false shepherds. Now, I do not [13:16] make a habit of of calling people out as [13:19] false shepherds or false pastors or [13:21] false teachers. I genuinely believe if [13:23] we're going to call someone a false [13:24] prophet, it needs to be from a council [13:26] of leaders who have examined evidence. I [13:29] don't think I have the authority to do [13:30] that on my own, even if I believe it [13:32] about somebody. But if I if if people [13:36] are engaged in sexual sin or spirit [13:39] severe spiritual abuse and they will not [13:41] repent and they evade capture, they [13:44] evade responsibility, they evade [13:46] accountability, that is of deep concern. [13:49] So instead of protecting them, we should [13:52] be exposing them and protecting the [13:54] sheep. If you've got a wolf, you know, [13:57] hanging around around your sheep, you [13:59] don't say, "Well, you know, he's a cute [14:01] little wolf. Look at the wolf. He's [14:04] going to bite you. He's going to devour [14:06] the sheep." It's not a game. You say, [14:09] "Well, you know, but the the wolf is my [14:11] friend and he opened up doors for me." [14:13] And no, it doesn't matter. Your [14:16] responsibility is to the sheep. [14:21] I want to remind these leaders and the [14:23] brother who withdrew his endorsement, [14:24] not as a threat at all. Not at all. [14:26] Zero. Uh I have no ill will against him [14:30] or against anybody. But I want to remind [14:32] you what Jesus said because he said that [14:34] if we cause one of his little lambs to [14:36] stumble, the judgment will be worse than [14:40] having a millstone tied around our neck [14:42] and being thrown into the deepest part [14:44] of the sea. that the judgment for those [14:47] who pray on little lambs, that's not [14:50] what's going to happen to you. The Bible [14:52] says it will be worse. It will be worse [14:54] than that. So, why not come forth and [14:57] repent fully tell the truth instead of [15:01] telling, you know, how much truth can I [15:03] tell and still be in ministry? How much [15:05] truth can I tell? Because they don't [15:06] know this other part. I got to got to [15:08] keep them from finding everything out. [15:12] You can't outrun God. Do you understand [15:14] that? He knows everything. He sees [15:16] every. Yeah, but he likes me. See, [15:18] that's the deception right there. If you [15:20] think that God is part of covering up [15:22] your sexual sin, that is that's the [15:26] deception. The fact that we got Mike [15:28] Bickl right now presenting himself well, [15:30] his friends are presenting him as as [15:33] almost like one of the two witnesses, an [15:35] end time character that is so important [15:37] for the salvation of Israel. There's [15:40] only one entity, person, person [15:42] personality who is so important [15:46] regarding the salvation of Israel, and [15:47] that is Yeshua the Messiah. Not me, not [15:50] anybody else. Yeshua. [15:54] All right. [15:56] Th this should terrify us. Matthew 18:6, [15:58] having a judgment worse than a [16:00] millstone. It should compel us to do [16:02] whatever it takes to ensure that no [16:04] vulnerable believer is ever abused. Not [16:07] sexually, not spiritually, or in any [16:09] other way. In truth, if we loved our [16:11] fellow shepherds, we would protect them [16:13] from such a devastating judgment. But [16:15] instead, many close rank. They circle [16:18] the wagons. They protect their own. A [16:20] true shepherd lay down lays down his [16:22] life for the sheep. I mean, that is what [16:24] a shepherd does. He doesn't devour the [16:26] sheep and he doesn't put the sheep in a [16:30] precarious situation to protect their [16:32] friend. [16:33] A false shepherd sacrifices the sheep [16:36] for the sake of other shepherds. So, no, [16:38] I'm not offended that he withdrew to the [16:40] endorsement. In a strange way, I'm [16:42] grateful because it paints a painfully [16:45] accurate picture of where we are. Again, [16:48] you don't go from I highly recommend [16:50] this work to essentially get my name out [16:53] of your book without pressure from other [16:56] leaders. These are the same leaders who [16:59] have refused to hold themselves [17:01] accountable. Not one of them publicly [17:03] addressed the meltdown of Jeremiah [17:05] Johnson. Uh, it took courage of [17:07] grassroots whistleblowers, survivors, [17:10] and local Charlotte area pastors to [17:12] bring sufficient attention to the [17:14] alleged abusive behavior of Jeremiah. [17:18] For six or seven years, not only Bethl [17:19] leaders, but others like Chayon, a [17:21] self-described apostle now running for [17:23] governor of California, whose name will [17:25] not appear on the ballot due to a [17:27] campaign era, knew about Shawn BS. They [17:31] knew about his fabricated prophecies. [17:33] They knew about his sexual deviency [17:37] and they said nothing for seven, six, [17:40] seven years depending on which one. And [17:42] and and regarding Shayon, just to give [17:44] you an update, as you might recall, uh [17:48] he told his congregation after we [17:49] interviewed his former sister-in-law who [17:52] accused him of [17:54] encouraging to her to stay in a [17:56] violently abusive marriage to the point [17:58] of he allegedly told her that maybe God [18:02] is calling you be to be a martyr, not [18:04] not on the mission field, in your [18:05] marriage. maybe your husband's going to [18:07] kill you and somehow you're going to get [18:09] this great resurrection and welcome into [18:11] the kingdom of God. Something like that. [18:13] Uh I had a co he he stood up before his [18:16] congregation. First he misled them by [18:18] saying that we're waiting to hear back [18:20] from Ron Caner when he literally emailed [18:22] me right before the service started. And [18:25] then he said he was going to meet with [18:26] me and meet with Mike Winger and uh and [18:29] he did. He met with me and he lied to [18:31] me. [18:33] The man who wants to be God. By the way, [18:35] if you want to be governor, you're off [18:37] to a good start because you lied to me. [18:39] I mean, you literally lied to my face. [18:42] So, yeah, governor is probably a good [18:44] fit. Not pastor, definitely not apostle, [18:47] but [18:49] politics, absolutely. Um, and so he told [18:53] his congregation that he was going to [18:56] meet with me and he was going to meet [18:58] with Mike Winger and then he was going [18:59] to get back to them. He's going to come [19:01] back because he wants to pastor them [19:03] through this. And by this I think he [19:05] means him being uh accused of covering [19:08] up sin. And by the way, all this started [19:10] because when the Shawn BS situation came [19:13] out, Chayon said to his congregation, I [19:16] have never covered up anyone's sin. And [19:19] as I watched that, I had a chill. I [19:21] didn't know that his ex-sister-in-law [19:23] was going to contact me or that the [19:24] Meansen family was going to contact me. [19:27] And you should go and hear uh their [19:29] their stories. This was a family whose [19:32] son was sexually abused and they were [19:35] told by the leadership of Chase Church [19:37] not to talk about it within the [19:39] congregation. These are people suffering [19:41] one of the greatest traumas of their [19:42] life and they're basically told you know [19:45] go meet with the counselor but let's not [19:47] talk about it in in to anybody in the [19:49] church. And when they did and when they [19:51] said they they couldn't do that they [19:54] were kicked out of the church according [19:56] to them. She's written a book on it and [19:58] according to them they were fired. And [20:00] when I when when Chay and I never talked [20:02] about that, so the next day I wrote him [20:03] and I said, "Jay, we never even talked [20:05] about the Meansen family." He said, "You [20:07] know what? I'm glad we didn't because [20:08] you know what? I want to reach out to [20:10] them." Are you listening, Jay? I want to [20:13] reach out to them myself. I love them. [20:15] That's what he said. I'm going to reach [20:16] out to them and I love them. And yet [20:19] today is not telling me on April 30th. [20:22] That was I think more than a month ago. [20:26] Oh goodness. It was uh it was 15 two [20:30] months ago. Two months ago has not [20:33] reached out to them. In other words, he [20:35] just that that was um evading. [20:40] That's what it was. So, uh they're still [20:43] waiting for you to get a hold of them, [20:44] Chase. So, you can express your love. [20:46] But, but that's the problem here is [20:48] you've got massive coverup culture for [20:52] Danny Silk [20:54] for seven years. He left Shawn Bz's [20:57] forward in his book. It never occurred [21:00] to him, you know what? This guy's a [21:02] sexual predator and he's fake prophecies [21:04] on the world stage that maybe I should [21:07] get his even if I'm not willing to tell [21:10] the the the sheep, the flock what he [21:12] did. Maybe I should at least get his [21:14] name out of my book. No, not until it [21:18] was publicly exposed a few months ago [21:20] and then he decides to take it out. And [21:22] by the way, in that book, [21:25] you know what? I don't I it's a whole [21:27] another podcast, but um it's very sad [21:30] because I become friends with the victim [21:32] of Ben Armstrong, Sarah. She is a a a [21:35] wonderful woman, a firefighter. I mean, [21:37] she is a strong woman going out there to [21:40] fight fires. And um she was horribly [21:44] misrepresented in the interview that [21:47] Danny does with with Ben Armstrong and [21:49] his wife. She is misrepresented. And in [21:51] the book, she is misrepresented. And if [21:54] you're going to write a book about [21:56] restoring predators to the pulpit, maybe [21:58] you should interview the victim. Yeah, [22:02] we call them victims. I shouldn't have [22:03] done quotes. I should The quote should [22:04] be for what Danny calls it 11 time. He [22:06] refers to it as an an affair. Now, let [22:09] me just ask you listener, viewer. [22:14] If somebody gets you drunk and you don't [22:17] you're not you you can't handle a lot of [22:18] alcohol. you're, you know, a female [22:23] slight and and they have you drink four [22:25] or five beers and then they drag you [22:28] into the bedroom and you're saying, [22:29] "No." Is that an affair? Because [22:33] according to I have to assume Danny Silk [22:36] knows what happened. He certainly knows [22:38] now because it's out in the public and [22:40] he didn't come out and say, "Oh my gosh, [22:41] I didn't realize that." But I have [22:43] emails [22:45] between Danny Silk, leader of Bethl, the [22:48] the author of Unpunishable, [22:50] Unpunishable. I have emails between the [22:54] victim and him to the point where he [22:57] basically [22:58] accuses her. I I I accuses is a strong [23:01] term, but this is all going to come out [23:02] when we do a second interview with her. [23:04] We have another interview that's [23:05] supposed to come out soon. Uh but he did [23:07] not ask for her permission [23:11] to share her story in that book. And he [23:14] again he Ben Armstrong allegedly [23:17] according to Sarah pulled her into a [23:20] room against her will. Now it did not [23:24] end up in in in what we would call full [23:27] on or intercourse, but it but it was [23:29] bad. It was bad. as Sarah says, sexual [23:32] boundaries were crossed and uh that was [23:36] is that an affair? Is that what an [23:38] affair is? I don't think so. And so, [23:40] we'd love to hear from Danny Silk on [23:42] this, but that whole book, the two case [23:45] studies in that book are are are faulty [23:48] and that book has gone around the world. [23:51] Now, maybe one reason you want Shawn [23:52] BS's name in there because it sells a [23:54] lot of book. So all these guys they [23:56] protect and now they're they're coming [23:58] up and they're humbling themselves and [24:01] they're some of them some of them not [24:04] Chay cuz as far as I know Chay never got [24:06] back to his congregation. He said I want [24:08] to pastor you through this and I'm going [24:09] to meet with Mike Winger. I'm going to [24:10] meet with Ron Caner and and he lied to [24:13] Mike too. I mean Mike made a whole video [24:15] called I think it's called Chay Lied to [24:16] Me or something or he lied. I can't [24:18] remember. Um, [24:20] but I don't think Chay has ever gotten [24:22] up in front of his congregation and [24:24] said, "You know what? I met with these [24:26] guys." Um, [24:29] so that's weird. It's sad. That's the [24:31] state where So, so what's important is [24:33] that he's running for governor. In fact, [24:35] he spent a good part of our [24:37] conversation. He only had limited time. [24:39] He All right, you know what? Enough [24:41] about that. I should do a whole update [24:44] on Chay. But uh yeah, his campaign isn't [24:48] going real well because he did not turn [24:51] in his tax returns. You have to give [24:53] your tax returns to the governor of [24:55] California and he did not do that. And [24:57] because he didn't do that, his name will [24:59] not be on the ballots. He's not even [25:01] showing up in polls. It is ridiculous [25:03] that he's online right now pretending [25:05] like he's running for governor. [25:07] Normally, somebody who is not showing up [25:09] in the polls, who's not invited to the [25:11] uh debates, who because of their own [25:14] error, their name isn't even on the [25:16] ballot would say, "You know what? I'm [25:18] done. I'm out." But that would be [25:19] humiliating. So, let's pretend like it's [25:22] great. We're going forward. Write my [25:24] name in. It's going to be good. And it's [25:26] not going to be good. It's not going to [25:28] be good. And uh [25:30] there's that. [25:34] I didn't finish my letter yet. They [25:36] protect abusers for the sake of the [25:38] institution. [25:40] That's what Chris Valatin said to [25:42] somebody asking him about the whole [25:43] Shawn BS issue about if if it had gone [25:46] public. He's like, can you imagine the [25:47] damage to the prophetic movement? [25:53] Look at the damage now. Look at the [25:55] damage now that it came out 7 years [25:57] later. It's far wor how much better it [26:00] would have been if the leaders of Bethl [26:02] and Chayon because by the way, why why [26:04] is Chay involved? because he is the [26:06] leader of HIM Harvest International [26:08] Ministries. And Sean was on his [26:10] international apostolic team. [26:13] No, not my problem. Not my problems. [26:15] That's Bill Johnson's problem. No, he's [26:18] on your international apostolic team. It [26:20] is your problem. But imagine if they had [26:23] stood up back then in 2019. Uh Chase [26:27] says he found about found out about it [26:28] in 2020 and I I don't know. But imagine [26:31] if they all stood up and said, "We have [26:34] some sad news. This is heartbreak." And [26:36] they and they did pastor the body [26:38] through it. But now it it's far worse [26:41] for the prophetic movement that these [26:44] guys said, "You know what? To protect [26:47] I don't want to say they said that. It [26:49] looks like they said to protect the [26:52] prophetic movement, we'll just deal with [26:53] this quietly." And okay, so there's a [26:56] predator on the loose and maybe he'll do [26:58] it again. That's a problem. All right, [27:02] letter's almost done. [27:06] They protect themselves to preserve [27:07] their image, their influence, and their [27:08] control. And the sheep pay the price. [27:11] But there's hope. A grassroots movement [27:14] is rising. Modern-day Martin Luther, if [27:16] you will, who refuse to bow to the NR [27:18] popes. They are charismatic, yes, but [27:21] they reject elitism and the culture of [27:23] the untouchable super apostles who claim [27:26] their presence is essential for revival. [27:29] They are ordinary believers who love [27:31] Jesus and they are willing to do the [27:33] real work of shephering which begins and [27:35] ends with making sure the sheep are [27:38] safe. End of the letter. [27:41] So [27:44] a few days go. So this was all because [27:46] this gentleman removed his endorsement. [27:48] And again I bless this guy. I love him. [27:51] I I hope that we eventually will have [27:52] that conversation. And again I waited [27:54] all week to do this hoping that he would [27:56] get back in touch with me and he didn't. [27:58] But um I'm not trying to out him. Uh I [28:02] feel bad for him because he did [28:03] something courageous. He endorsed this [28:06] book and uh and he paid a price. He got [28:10] you even though he is a leader of [28:12] leaders. I'm just I am assuming because [28:14] again he didn't actually tell me this uh [28:16] but I am assuming it is a hypothesis a [28:20] educated guess that he removed the [28:22] endorsement because he got push back [28:24] possibly from somebody or someone's [28:27] mentioned in the book or friends of [28:30] those people. That is my assumption. [28:35] Then today I get a a an email. So, I got [28:39] an email a few days ago from uh an old [28:42] friend and he a pastor and he said uh [28:45] I'll just paraphrase. I'm not going to [28:46] read you what he wrote, but he just [28:47] said, "This book is great. This is [28:49] needed. I'm going to recommend this to [28:51] all of my pastor friends in my network [28:53] and my in my organization. This this [28:55] every pastor needs to read it." You [28:57] know, and then and then I asked him, I [28:58] said, "Would you, you know, post [29:00] something that would be really [29:01] encouraging because and let me just say [29:02] this, one of the reasons I've promoted [29:04] this book is because I have no [29:06] publisher. If if I don't promote it, it [29:08] will just sit there. And this is a [29:10] message that needs to get out. I hear it [29:13] over I get emails every day of people [29:16] say people saying this needs to be [29:18] taught in Bible schools. This needs to [29:20] be in seminaries. This every pastor and [29:22] not just pastors, [29:24] believers need to read it because we [29:26] need to learn to recognize. We are [29:28] taught particularly in the charismatic [29:30] world but in the entire churches, don't [29:32] ever question leadership. If leadership [29:34] tells you something, you obey. And [29:37] listen, I am, let me say something, some [29:40] things. Number one, I'm charismatic. I I [29:43] love the gifts of the spirit. I pray in [29:45] the Holy Spirit. I am pro-holy spirit. I [29:48] believe that if it's in the book of [29:50] Acts, it's for today. Do you understand [29:52] me? I am not a cessationist. [29:56] But let me also say that I believe in [29:58] honoring leadership, respecting [29:59] leadership. The Bible tells us that when [30:01] it comes to elders, and by the way, [30:03] elders, that's the highest governmental [30:05] office in the church. You know, apostles [30:08] and prophets, evangelist, teachers and [30:09] pastors, those are gift functions in [30:11] leaderships. But the governmental [30:13] position is elder. That's why Paul tells [30:16] Timothy that these issues [30:19] uh uh uh whether two or three witnesses, [30:22] issues of sin in eldership are not [30:24] brought before the apostles, but they're [30:26] brought before the elders. So I believe [30:30] that we honor elders especially those [30:31] who do the work of preaching and [30:32] teaching and we do want to give them the [30:34] the benefit of the doubt. I think we've [30:36] done that overboard to the point of if [30:38] that if you know we we see a leader or [30:41] an elder in a compromising situation and [30:43] our brain says well it could not be what [30:46] my eyes are seeing because that's you [30:48] know you know holy Bob or holy rich or [30:51] holy Sally right they would never do [30:53] that and lots of times they wouldn't but [30:56] lots of times they will so [30:59] anyways uh this gentleman sends me a [31:02] wonderful email and I asked him if he [31:04] wouldn't mind you saying something [31:06] online and he graciously did and uh I [31:11] get an email from him this morning [31:13] apologetic and again no this guy's a [31:15] great guy. I love him. I bless him and [31:17] I'm not going to mention his name. It's [31:18] not important. Good. Ble bless his heart [31:22] really and and pray for him right now [31:24] because he was told by the higherups in [31:27] his organization to remove it [31:32] because of what is written in this book [31:36] that [31:39] well I don't want to say too much [31:42] but let me just say this what I wrote as [31:45] far as I know is the truth and the [31:48] reason there's narrative in there is [31:50] because I believe that narrative is [31:51] important for us to grow as a as a [31:54] church, as a charismatic community. [31:58] So, I I immediately removed uh because I [32:01] repost it and I'm sorry, he informed me [32:04] that he removed it and then I asked him [32:06] it was okay to leave up what I had wrote [32:08] and then I thought, "No, that's not [32:09] good." And I wrote him back and said, [32:10] "You know what? I don't want you to get [32:11] in any whatever." And I just took it [32:13] down [32:14] because I I I I love the body of Christ. [32:17] I love the the I love both of these guys [32:19] who endorse the book. But but my point [32:21] is this. This should tell you something [32:25] where you have other leaders and in this [32:27] situation the the the leadership of a [32:30] significant organiz and by the way [32:34] these two organizations [32:37] the one that the one the first guy is [32:40] the leader of or one of the leaders of [32:42] and in the second organization that this [32:44] other brother is in that network. These [32:47] two organizations [32:50] do not look like each other. One's [32:51] charismatic, one's not charismatic. One [32:54] is messianic, the other is mainstream [32:56] mainstream charismatic. It it they don't [32:59] they're not in the same circles, [33:02] but they do have common denominators. [33:08] See if you can connect the dots there. [33:10] They do have common denominators. [33:13] I can think of a couple of people that [33:15] would definitely uh influence them to do [33:18] what they did. [33:20] You know what? It's okay. It's all [33:22] right. Wh what we do? We do for the [33:26] Lord. I am not I at the end of the day [33:30] when I get to heaven, you know what God [33:32] is not going to ask me? How many how [33:34] many books did you sell, Ron? You know, [33:36] you you didn't sell We really liked you [33:38] for a while, but you you didn't you [33:40] didn't sell enough book. You didn't make [33:42] enough [33:44] videos or, you know, Facebook lives. No, [33:48] it's about devotion to Jesus. It's about [33:49] speaking the truth. What I hope God will [33:52] say about me is that when the pressure [33:55] was on, you protected the sheep. You [33:59] did. Listen, friends, I am not trying I [34:01] don't want to blow my own horn here. I [34:03] really don't want to do that because I'm [34:04] not alone in this season. I I can [34:06] mention a ton of people. Some of them [34:09] are the ones who who who not only [34:11] endorsed the book, but their names are [34:13] still in there. They didn't pull them, [34:15] you know. I think of the advocate group [34:16] at IHOP. I think and well again I don't [34:19] want to go through all this stuff but [34:21] different podcasters who are you know [34:23] who have risked their reputation you [34:24] know in our situation our our income as [34:27] a ministry if you know I I love this one [34:29] I really do love Ron you're just doing [34:31] this to make money if I'm doing this to [34:34] make money I'm doing it wrong because I [34:37] we are right now cutting costs wherever [34:39] we can as a ministry because we don't [34:41] have funds we we don't have funds people [34:44] I get people [34:46] every month now but part of that may be [34:48] be because of the economy. Um, but I [34:51] don't doubt that part of it is because [34:53] of the advocacy work advocacy work that [34:55] we've done. So that's it. I am now going [34:59] to meet my beautiful wife and my [35:02] daughter for lunch. And you know where [35:04] we're going to eat? [35:06] We're going to eat at Seuzies. I endorse [35:09] Suzies and I will not take that [35:11] endorsement back. You can put pressure [35:13] on me, [35:16] but I will not take that endorsement [35:17] back. Why? Because it's my daughter's [35:19] restaurant and it's called Suzies. We're [35:21] in Richmond right now, Virginia. And [35:23] Suz's is it? It is so good. The food is [35:26] so good. And by the way, she's sp No, [35:28] she's not not sponsoring this live. Uh, [35:31] but it is so good. I mean, there's a [35:33] there is a sandwich. [35:36] It's called the Ronnie. Now, you're [35:37] saying Ronnie that you're Ron. I used to [35:40] be Ronnie. Don't call me that. Please do [35:42] not don't mention that in the comments. [35:44] But the Ronnie is so good because it's [35:46] on a toasted uh sub roll and inside it's [35:51] got No, you got to be you got to like [35:53] vegetables, broccoli and uh green beans [35:58] and a sauce that she makes that has [36:01] cheese and garlic. I don't even know [36:03] what's in it, but it's unbelievable. [36:05] Then she has uh my favorite sandwich [36:07] right now is the Rachel, which is a it's [36:10] it's a turkeystyled [36:12] Reuben, but it's a Rachel. It's the [36:14] female Reuben. Anyways, so Oh, she got a [36:17] Reuben, too. It's called the Seuzies [36:18] Reuben. So, if you live in Richmond, go [36:21] to Seuzies at 1600 West Kerry Street. So [36:25] good. Anyways, um I never did check to [36:29] see if people can hear me, but I hope [36:33] that you have been listening. Um well, [36:35] there's 34 people watching on Facebook, [36:37] so I trust that you can hear me. And um [36:41] again, I'm uh just I'm going to warn you [36:44] right now that I am going to do a plug [36:47] right now for my book. So, if you do not [36:50] like plugs for books, this would be a [36:51] good time to sign off. Um but there's [36:54] the book. When Shepherds Pray. [36:58] I don't know the subtitle. Confronting [37:00] abuse in church leadership. A call for [37:01] reformation. If you go to amazon.com, by [37:04] the way, we have our own short link. It [37:06] go It's only on Amazon. Uh but it is [37:09] dr.org. [37:12] dron.org/wsp. [37:16] Win Shepherds Pray WSP or you can just [37:18] go to amazon.com and enter When [37:21] sheeperds Pray into the search and just [37:24] go there and read the reviews. I am so [37:28] super encouraged. We've already got 50 [37:31] book reviews um and uh we're just super [37:35] blessed. There was another gentleman who [37:37] wrote what I would call the anti-book to [37:40] this. He wrote a book what I would say [37:42] is defending [37:44] defending abusers. Uh he would say it's [37:47] against the accuser culture but I I [37:49] would say that it the book defends [37:52] abusers. And when I wrote this book he [37:55] at that came out in November I think [37:56] they had seven or eight reviews. And I'm [37:59] only I'm not saying that to make fun of [38:00] the guy because I could tell you his [38:02] name and his name is No, I'm not going [38:04] to tell you his name. I'm not saying [38:05] this to make fun of the guy, although I [38:07] think it's disgusting to make a to write [38:10] a book that protects protects abusers [38:13] and demonizes whistleblowers and people [38:16] bringing forth accurate allegations in [38:19] order to protect the sheep. That is [38:21] despicable. [38:23] But the only reason I'm making that [38:25] comparison is because look what's [38:27] resonating. A book about uh you know, [38:31] again, this is my opinion, covering up [38:33] sin. A book about uh attacking those who [38:37] are bringing forth legitimate [38:38] allegations is not resonating. It's not [38:41] selling. But and but a book that is [38:44] confronting the issue, there's 50 [38:45] reviews already. So again, I I put I put [38:49] my heart and soul into this. I mean, my [38:51] wife will tell you I was plugged in and [38:54] it is well researched. All right, that's [38:56] all I got to say about all that. I [38:57] appreciate you guys so much. I I love [39:00] the fact that we have this right here. [39:02] Do you know why? because the [39:04] gatekeepers, you know, they're not going [39:06] to I I can tell you this, Dayar, if [39:09] you're watching Dayar, I would love to [39:11] do an interview with you about um [39:13] Joanie, give me a call. We could uh set [39:15] something up. Um now, you are mentioned [39:17] in here, so you might want to read it [39:19] first. Uh but Dayar, they're not going [39:21] to call me up and and talk about this [39:23] book. TBN is not going to call me up. I [39:26] mean, they might. TBN might. I don't [39:27] know. Um, I would certainly love to do [39:30] that. But we live in an age where we can [39:32] bypass the digital gatekeepers and we [39:35] can come right to you. And I'm so [39:36] grateful for that. I'm so grateful that [39:38] they [39:40] they can't muzzle us. They cannot m they [39:43] can try they can take the endorsements, [39:45] the club, the the the protection club we [39:49] call it in in Hebrewia, [39:52] which you know sounds kind of mafiosa. [39:55] uh where they protect each other. They [39:58] can't stop us. So we thank you, Lord. [40:00] Father God, we thank you. We thank you, [40:02] Jesus. Th this is for your sheep. For [40:05] your sheep, oh God. And I just pray, [40:07] Lord God, right now that [40:10] the church would get it. When it comes [40:12] to clergy, sexual abuse, the church [40:15] would get it and respond in the name of [40:18] Yeshua. And Lord God, I I I know it's [40:22] worse than we know, but bring [40:24] reformation. And Lord God, I pray for [40:26] everyone in this book who is mentioned [40:28] in a negative light that they would find [40:32] repentance, that they would find mercy, [40:34] that they would find freedom, that they [40:35] would find a a such health in simply [40:40] telling the truth. [40:43] That's where there's forgiveness. That's [40:45] where there's mercy. That's where [40:47] there's love. We are not out to hurt [40:49] anybody. [40:50] And anyone can find freedom and [40:53] forgiveness in Jesus. But you got to [40:55] tell the truth. You got to tell the [40:57] truth. Hallelujah. [41:00] Well, I was going to stop, but like [41:01] literally in the last minute, I just [41:03] suddenly felt this wonderful witness of [41:05] the spirit. Um, but I I love you guys. I [41:08] appreciate you guys so much, and I love [41:10] I I do not take for granted the fact [41:12] that I have this lifeline to you, [41:14] whether it's on Facebook, Twitter, or or [41:16] YouTube. I am just so grateful. I love [41:19] to hear from you. I read every single [41:21] email I get. I've been told by people in [41:23] my ministry, "Why do you let people [41:26] email you? Why don't you have them [41:27] email, you know, your assistant?" And I [41:30] said, "I I don't know. I don't know. I [41:32] like I like to engage with people." And [41:35] um so we do that. We read I don't read [41:38] every comment because sometimes there's [41:40] hundreds and I try. But I bless you guys [41:43] in Yeshua's name. I bless you. [41:45] Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Father God, I do [41:48] just pray for everybody's wa watching [41:50] that they would sense your presence [41:52] right now. That they would sense the [41:54] intimacy of the Holy Spirit right now. [41:58] You are the good shepherd who shepherds [42:00] our souls. Hallelujah. Love you guys. [42:04] Bless you. Shalom. Bye-bye.
